14.1 -- Placement of the Players and Prize Fund

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FranCrimi

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Does anyone know exactly how it is determined how the players are placed in their brackets in the 14.1 event? I'm referring to every single player, from the top - down. Also, what is the prize fund breakdown formula?

In order for any event to be legitimate, there has to be a predetermined formula for both the placement of players in the event, and the prize fund breakdown. These formulas must be available to all participants before they pay their entry fees. They have the right to know this information before they hand over their money.

Then once the field is closed, the players placements must be reviewed by independent parties to assure the formula was followed. The same should be done with the prize fund breakdown.

So, what are the formulas for this event? Does anyone know?
 
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FranCrimi said:
Does anyone know exactly how it is determined how the players are placed in their brackets in the 14.1 event? I'm referring to every single player, from the top - down.

In order for any event to be legitimate, there has to be a predetermined formula for both the placement of players in the event, and the prize fund breakdown. These formulas must be available to all participants before they pay their entry fees. They have the right to know this information before they hand over their money.

Then once the field is closed, the players placements must be reviewed by independent parties to assure the formula was followed. The same should be done with the prize fund breakdown.

So, what's the formula for this event? Does anyone know?
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It was the CW formula, reviewed by the CW tournament directors, approved by the CW fan club.
 
Everyone should try and enjoy the trnmnt.

It is a crooked game, but it is the only game in town.:sorry:

I would bet it is the last time for it also.:confused:
 
alphadog said:
Everyone should try and enjoy the trnmnt.

It is a crooked game, but it is the only game in town.:sorry:

I would bet it is the last time for it also.:confused:
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So are you saying this particular event is crooked or are you saying that pool in general is crooked?
 
FranCrimi said:
Does anyone know exactly how it is determined how the players are placed in their brackets in the 14.1 event? I'm referring to every single player, from the top - down. Also, what is the prize fund breakdown formula?

In order for any event to be legitimate, there has to be a predetermined formula for both the placement of players in the event, and the prize fund breakdown. These formulas must be available to all participants before they pay their entry fees. They have the right to know this information before they hand over their money.

Then once the field is closed, the players placements must be reviewed by independent parties to assure the formula was followed. The same should be done with the prize fund breakdown.

So, what are the formulas for this event? Does anyone know?
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Great questions and points.
 
alphadog said:
You follwed up a great opening question with this?
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Well, it wasn't his exact quote but you were close.

Are you saying that the tournament is crooked or does it make you more comfortable to answer by loosely quoting other people's words?
 
I agree with Fran that the final stage chart should be posted before the tournament starts.
The round robins create the new seeding positions......
.....there is no excuse for not doing this.


I also think that the round robin system is broken....
...I much prefer the 8-man double elimination method, where the top two A-side and top
two B-side finishers go to the final single elimination stage.
 
Its also a CW event, paid for by CW and his sponsors. So,yeah, its his ball and his rules. As it should be. No one has to play and no one has to watch.

SUPERSTAR said:
It was the CW formula, reviewed by the CW tournament directors, approved by the CW fan club.
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FranCrimi said:
Well, it wasn't his exact quote but you were close.

Are you saying that the tournament is crooked or does it make you more comfortable to answer by loosely quoting other people's words?
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Fran, your opening post was a question regarding the "legitamacy" of the event.
It was a well worded question, that clearly points out some defficencies in the trnmnt.
How did you go from that to trying to put words in my mouth regarding what is crooked?
 
jcrack_corn said:
Its also a CW event, paid for by CW and his sponsors. So,yeah, its his ball and his rules. As it should be. No one has to play and no one has to watch.
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Your right.
<----Would never play in a CW event if I was skilled enough to do so.
<----Isn't watching.
 
jcrack_corn said:
Its also a CW event, paid for by CW and his sponsors. So,yeah, its his ball and his rules. As it should be. No one has to play and no one has to watch.
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"Bar Rules".....not a good way to run a major tournament.
 
Forgive me if this is opening a can of worms (or point me to a thread I can catch up on)

But:

Where are pool's "sanctioning" bodies in any of these US events these days?

Have they given up on the US pro side and only deal with Am events and sanctioning leagues?

Are some events not run up to a sanctioning body's standards so they decline overseeing?

Are the sanctioning body's standards out of line with what a pro event in the US can realistic offer in terms of prize monies to players?

Feel free to PM me if this is all too "big issue" or has been covered to death. Thanks
 
alphadog said:
Fran, your opening post was a question regarding the "legitamacy" of the event.
It was a well worded question, that clearly points out some defficencies in the trnmnt.
How did you go from that to trying to put words in my mouth regarding what is crooked?
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Okie dokie. Don't sweat it. Let's just let it go.
 
FranCrimi said:
Does anyone know exactly how it is determined how the players are placed in their brackets in the 14.1 event? I'm referring to every single player, from the top - down. Also, what is the prize fund breakdown formula?

In order for any event to be legitimate, there has to be a predetermined formula for both the placement of players in the event, and the prize fund breakdown. These formulas must be available to all participants before they pay their entry fees. They have the right to know this information before they hand over their money.

Then once the field is closed, the players placements must be reviewed by independent parties to assure the formula was followed. The same should be done with the prize fund breakdown.

So, what are the formulas for this event? Does anyone know?
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At this point, I don't think anyone can realistically call this tournament legitimate.

When you have Charlie Williams manipulating how players are seeded in this event, and doing this because he has a financial interest in certain players (getting half their tournament winnings) you now have something that more closely resembles a pyramid scheme rather than a pool tournament.

In other words, don't expect any transparency whatsoever.

Just more proof that professional pool in America is a joke.
 
brooklynplayer said:
Forgive me if this is opening a can of worms (or point me to a thread I can catch up on)

But:

Where are pool's "sanctioning" bodies in any of these US events these days?

Have they given up on the US pro side and only deal with Am events and sanctioning leagues?

Are some events not run up to a sanctioning body's standards so they decline overseeing?

Are the sanctioning body's standards out of line with what a pro event in the US can realistic offer in terms of prize monies to players?

Feel free to PM me if this is all too "big issue" or has been covered to death. Thanks
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Let's just say for argument's sake that the tournament promoter did not seek out sanctioning from the U.S. sanctioning bodies for this event.

What should those sanctioning bodies do? Should they take any action?
 
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