155 break in snooker, already been done?

[Cameron Smith]

I was looking around on the cbsa (Canadian Billiard and Snooker Association) website and found a history of past Canadian snooker champions. For most of the years, in the mens division, it states the high break for the tournament. Here is the line for 1988



1988 Brady Golan def. John Bear 7-3 Halifax. NS 155 - Brady Golan

Everything else I have read suggests that no one has ever made a 155. You would think that if a 155 was made it would be fairly well reported, especially seeing as in 1988 Snooker was televised in Canada and this tournament would have had some press, not much but enough that snooker fans in Britain would know about it.

Does anybody know about this? Is it a mistake or is it for real?

 

[Klopek]

I'm very confused by this claim. A perfect game is 147. In order to have a 155 break the opponent would've had to commit a foul before handing the table over. The highest point foul is 7 points. 147+7=154. It would seem impossible to have a 155 break uless someone threw an extra red on the table when the ref wasn't looking.

If there were a few fouls assessed and the winner cleared all the balls, a score of 155 is possible, but it wouldn't be a 155 point break. Has to be in one inning to count

 

[Dave Mackay]

Hi guys.......top of my head a 155 has been made, in fact a 151 was made in the last couple of seasons if you bear with me i wil tell you who by,

 

[Dave Mackay]

from world snooker website http://www.worldsnooker.com/players_head_to_head-9401.htm

Player Profile - Jamie Cope
Jamie Cope
DOB: 12 Sep 1985
Lives: Longton, Stoke on Trent
Provisional Ranking: 20th
(Main Tour)
Ranking Points this Season
Last 5 Seasons: 85-89-97-UR-UR
Turned Pro: 2001
Best Ranking Performance: Runner-up - Royal London Watches Grand Prix 2006
Last Seasons Prize Money: £23,400
Career Prize Money: (Up to the start of the 2006/07 season) £32,950
Highest Tournament Break: 147 - Royal London Watches Grand Prix 2006

Cope performed heroics on the World Snooker Tour last season, jumping 37 places up the rankings to No 48. In fact he is now aiming much higher as he started the 2006/07 campaign at No 21 on the one-year list.
The gifted young potter from Stoke, nicknamed the Shotgun for his aggressive style and speed around the table, reached the last 16 of three ranking tournaments.
The first was the Grand Prix, and the second the Welsh Open where he beat Steve Davis before losing 5-4 to Shaun Murphy. The last was the China Open where he got the better of Tian Pengfei and Alan McManus before another 5-4 reverse against a former world champion – Stephen Hendry.
"I’ve definitely improved an awful lot. All areas of my game have got better. Ultimately I want to be world champion and world No 1," said Cope.
He finished top of the 2004/05 Pontin’s Holidays Challenge Tour Order of Merit by winning two of the four events.
He beat Christopher Norbury 6-2 in the final of the first and finished the season in style with a 6-0 whitewash of Matthew Couch in the final of event four.
Cope had an outstanding record as a junior, winning nearly 50 tournaments.
In 2005 in a practice match in Stoke he became the only player known to have make a 155, the highest possible break.

This year at the Royal London Watches Grand Prix, he scooped the maximum break bonus and the top prize for a televised break. Cope compiled a 147 in his group game victory against Michael Holt on route to the final in Aberdeen.

 

[Dave Mackay]

And for a perfect game!!!!!

In April 2002 the New Zealand No2, amateur Harry Haenga, father of national champion Daniel Haenga, scored a 147 off the break against Glenn Gemmel at the Porirua Club, near Wellington, New Zealand. This was not in a tournament but was witnesses by two A Grade players, one of whom is a NZ representative and the other is a Referee.

 

[curlyscues]

16 reds???????

I'm very confused by this claim. A perfect game is 147. In order to have a 155 break the opponent would've had to commit a foul before handing the table over. The highest point foul is 7 points. 147+7=154. It would seem impossible to have a 155 break uless someone threw an extra red on the table when the ref wasn't looking.

If there were a few fouls assessed and the winner cleared all the balls, a score of 155 is possible, but it wouldn't be a 155 point break. Has to be in one inning to count

i'm with you. the only way i can see it happening is with an extra red. maybe my math is off, but......
M.C.

 

[Jason Robichaud]

The highest possible break is 155. if the person you are playing fouls and hooks you on a the reds you can take a free ball. Free ball allows you to choose a colour as your red. So you would have 16 reds on the table...Your math is fine.

 

[Jason Robichaud]

This is similar to the points on the table with just the pink and black remaining. You have 26 points not 13. If your opponent misses the pink contacts the black they lose (7). If you are hooked on the pink you can shoot the black and spot it at the value of the pink for another (6) now you can shoot the pink (6) and then the black (7) for a total of 26 points with just the pink and black.

 

[Dave Mackay]

The normal way this 16th red would appear is during safety play after the break a player fouls and leaves the cue ball behind the baulk colours (yellow green brown) making the opponent unable to see both sides of any of the reds therefore leaving a free ball a player may nominate any colour as a red play that and then go for a colour and then continue as normal meaning that 16 reds and 16 blacks may be potted. As the colour is nominated as a red if you pot the brown its only for 1 point not 4 points. On a free ball if you do not go for a pot, you must not snooker (hook) the incoming player behind the ball you hve nominated or this would be a foul.

Hope this helps?

 

[chilli66]

It is strange that a 155 break gets less coverage than a 147. I know there have been instances of a 155 being made but for some reason it seems that people don't regard it as highly as a 147! The player still has to do all the work to make the break!

 

[curlyscues]

very interesting

The normal way this 16th red would appear is during safety play after the break a player fouls and leaves the cue ball behind the baulk colours (yellow green brown) making the opponent unable to see both sides of any of the reds therefore leaving a free ball a player may nominate any colour as a red play that and then go for a colour and then continue as normal meaning that 16 reds and 16 blacks may be potted. As the colour is nominated as a red if you pot the brown its only for 1 point not 4 points. On a free ball if you do not go for a pot, you must not snooker (hook) the incoming player behind the ball you hve nominated or this would be a foul.

Hope this helps?

actualy that does help. play the game for 35+ years and learned something new. thanks.
M.C.

 

[Double-Dave]

It is strange that a 155 break gets less coverage than a 147. I know there have been instances of a 155 being made but for some reason it seems that people don't regard it as highly as a 147! The player still has to do all the work to make the break!

In fact if you make a 155 at the world championships, you do not get the 147.000 bonus, only he 20.000 for high break. Go figure.

@Dave Mackay, I remember seeing a 151 or 152 a few seasons back. I do believe it was in the WC (could have been UK) and by one of the younger players, and not on one of the two main tables. Do you remember who did it?

 

[TheOne]

from world snooker website http://www.worldsnooker.com/players_head_to_head-9401.htm

Player Profile - Jamie Cope
Jamie Cope
DOB: 12 Sep 1985
Lives: Longton, Stoke on Trent
Provisional Ranking: 20th
(Main Tour)
Ranking Points this Season
Last 5 Seasons: 85-89-97-UR-UR
Turned Pro: 2001
Best Ranking Performance: Runner-up - Royal London Watches Grand Prix 2006
Last Seasons Prize Money: £23,400
Career Prize Money: (Up to the start of the 2006/07 season) £32,950
Highest Tournament Break: 147 - Royal London Watches Grand Prix 2006

Cope performed heroics on the World Snooker Tour last season, jumping 37 places up the rankings to No 48. In fact he is now aiming much higher as he started the 2006/07 campaign at No 21 on the one-year list.
The gifted young potter from Stoke, nicknamed the Shotgun for his aggressive style and speed around the table, reached the last 16 of three ranking tournaments.
The first was the Grand Prix, and the second the Welsh Open where he beat Steve Davis before losing 5-4 to Shaun Murphy. The last was the China Open where he got the better of Tian Pengfei and Alan McManus before another 5-4 reverse against a former world champion – Stephen Hendry.
"I’ve definitely improved an awful lot. All areas of my game have got better. Ultimately I want to be world champion and world No 1," said Cope.
He finished top of the 2004/05 Pontin’s Holidays Challenge Tour Order of Merit by winning two of the four events.
He beat Christopher Norbury 6-2 in the final of the first and finished the season in style with a 6-0 whitewash of Matthew Couch in the final of event four.
Cope had an outstanding record as a junior, winning nearly 50 tournaments.
In 2005 in a practice match in Stoke he became the only player known to have make a 155, the highest possible break.

This year at the Royal London Watches Grand Prix, he scooped the maximum break bonus and the top prize for a televised break. Cope compiled a 147 in his group game victory against Michael Holt on route to the final in Aberdeen.

Thanks for that info, a couple of years ago I was reading the Guinness book of records an was surprised to notice it had 151 listed as the highest EVER break. Ah, I thought it's only listing professional breaks in competition, but no it listed various amature breaks also. I've been asking around since and although many people thought they were sure a 155 had been made nobody could name names. It's amazing to think that only 1 person has ever made a 155 break!

He "coped" with the pressure well!

 

[Fatboy]

I strung a 147,155,147 on the board last week before i finished my fiest diet coke, whats the big deal? seriously i want to buy a proper english 12" box 5 piece 2" slate, flat face cushions, 8 legs etc, to the exact specks they use in the UK, i'm new here and have been reading a bit but cant find a source for this table, I dont want an old Burnswick with tight pockets like the one at Hardtimes had in the late 80's(Lost a pile on that box), I have a Gold Crown 4(?) I had Ernesto Domengez set it up and it plays perfect, i had to wait 3 months for him but it was worth it, i'm moving into a new house that will have room for both the 9" & 12" boxes and I want them perfect. If anyone can help please PM me. I'm for real, I understand that new people to forums are looked at differently but i'll prove it, come to vegas, I played in California and Vegas for 10 years, didnt gamble much in Vegas its too tough there,

 

[Boro Nut]

Thanks for that info, a couple of years ago I was reading the Guinness book of records an was surprised to notice it had 151 listed as the highest EVER break.

You're forgetting that many high breaks (including by professionals) are not officially ratified because on subsequent inspection the table is found not to conform exactly to the specified templates. I remember this happening to Jonathan Birch as an amateur when one of the pockets was undersized (ie too tight). You used to be able to apply for and receive a certificate though.

Boro Nut

 

[zeeder]

I had Ernesto Domengez set it up and it plays perfect, i had to wait 3 months for him but it was worth it, i'm moving into a new house that will have room for both the 9" & 12" boxes and I want them perfect.

Just an fyi, the double quotes (") stands for inches and the single quote (') stands for feet. Hope this helps.

Zack

 

[chilli66]

I strung a 147,155,147 on the board last week before i finished my fiest diet coke, whats the big deal? seriously i want to buy a proper english 12" box 5 piece 2" slate, flat face cushions, 8 legs etc, to the exact specks they use in the UK, i'm new here and have been reading a bit but cant find a source for this table, I dont want an old Burnswick with tight pockets like the one at Hardtimes had in the late 80's(Lost a pile on that box), I have a Gold Crown 4(?) I had Ernesto Domengez set it up and it plays perfect, i had to wait 3 months for him but it was worth it, i'm moving into a new house that will have room for both the 9" & 12" boxes and I want them perfect. If anyone can help please PM me. I'm for real, I understand that new people to forums are looked at differently but i'll prove it, come to vegas, I played in California and Vegas for 10 years, didnt gamble much in Vegas its too tough there,

Maybe this'll help https://store.billiardplace.com/section.php?xSec=3

Just under $19k for a tournament quality table!

 

[TheOne]

You're forgetting that many high breaks (including by professionals) are not officially ratified because on subsequent inspection the table is found not to conform exactly to the specified templates. I remember this happening to Jonathan Birch as an amateur when one of the pockets was undersized (ie too tight). You used to be able to apply for and receive a certificate though.

Boro Nut

Good point, I had assumed they might have omitted some due to lack of witnesses, and maybe regulations.

 

[Dave Mackay]

In fact if you make a 155 at the world championships, you do not get the 147.000 bonus, only he 20.000 for high break. Go figure.

@Dave Mackay, I remember seeing a 151 or 152 a few seasons back. I do believe it was in the WC (could have been UK) and by one of the younger players, and not on one of the two main tables. Do you remember who did it?

I remember what you are referring to and i have been racking my brains trying to remember the player.........Jamie Burrnett springs to mind but i have nothing to back this up.

I'll have a check around

 

[Nott]

I remember what you are referring to and i have been racking my brains trying to remember the player.........Jamie Burrnett springs to mind but i have nothing to back this up.

I'll have a check around

Jamie Burnett is correct. The only break over 147 ever in proffesianol snooker tournament play.

from worldsnooker.com:
Burnett created a piece of snooker history as he made the highest break ever scored in professional competition.
Up against Leo Fernandez at Prestatyn in the qualifying rounds of the UK Championship, Burnett took the brown as an extra red after being awarded a free ball, then added the brown again and went on to pot all 15 reds with one blue, two pinks and 12 blacks. He cleared the colours to complete an amazing 148.
"I didn’t even realise I was on it until I’d got over 100 and saw that a 148 was on," said Burnett, who went on to win the match 9-8. "I didn’t really know how to react afterwards. At first I thought it was no big deal, but then I realised I’d made history.”