1P - What would you do?

gromulan said:
I don't think there's much of a decision here. The best shot is to make the 13 and draw over to play the 8, planning either to disturb the stack from the 8, or to play position from it to the 9. If you end up straight in on the 8 then roll through and bank the 9 straight back.

I don't feel like playing from the 9 to the 13 is a good play because you're unlikely to get the angle to get to the 8 and I think at the least you should be looking to get all three open balls here.

That being said, if the 13 is an intimidating shot, then I agree with the poster who suggested making the straight in 9 and then banking the 13.
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I'm on the other side.
 
R man........you been in hooch again!?:D

it's ok....I can understand every word.......if, I tilt my head sideways, and cover 1 eye:D

Gerry
 
Bob Jewett said:
There is no good break, so I would take the three loose balls. The question is what to do next. In the layout as shown, if you put the cue ball along the 12-3 line after the run, you can shoot a stop shot on the 12, move the 11 very close to your pocket as well as move the 3 and 6 to shootable locations on your side.

If you freeze the cue ball to both the 12 and 2, there is no bank shot, and your opponent will probably have to kick off his side cushion to the 11 or some such. An alternative for him on a tight-pocket table will be to thin the 2 and leave you frozen on the head rail in hopes that you will miss. The critical part is to get a good line so you can kill the cue ball without moving balls in the wrong direction.

That's what I'd try. A champion would get a 45-degree cut on the 8 ball, play the cut with right draw, hit the 4-12, spin to the top rail and out to the middle of the table for a possible continuation and win.

Banking the 14 as the fourth shot is very weak unless you can hide the cue ball and preferably freeze it to the stack. That's possible, but the cue ball has to be in a perfect position. Play the bank at pocket speed.
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Thanks for the well-thought out response. One of the great things about one pocket is that you can play it at your level and still compete -- so long as you know what your level is.

As your post provoked me to think about, figuring out where and how to hit the stack and then executing is critical to play at the high levels, but picking off free balls and moving your opponent around is a viable strategy as well.

Seems like the feedback has generally been more in favor of my partner's strategy than mine. I'm not surprised, but I was curious about the reasoning behind it. Thanks again to everyone who responded.

RC
 
I would shoot the 9, 13, 8 and then the 14. I'd then move a ball close to my pocket and try to freeze the cb to the rest of the pack.
 
I'd hit the 9 with the CB near the rail to float over for the 13 with an outside angle to come down for the 8....put the CB about a diamond back from the 8....just scrape the 12 putting some balls on your side of the table and leave the CB straight down rail from near the corner on there side...
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I just pulled this up and showed this to Scott Frost...He looked at it for a second and said, "The out is a lock with ball in hand"....Roll in the 9 with a little follow.....FIRE the wired combo on the 2 cross side with force follow on the CB into the pack for the break up.......the rest is a no brainer.

Modern day One Pocket...
















Just kidding.......but that seems to be the type of stuff you see these days..........:eek:
 
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BRKNRUN said:
I just pulled this up and showed this to Scott Frost...He looked at it for a second and said, "The out is a lock with ball in hand"....Roll in the 9 with a little follow.....FIRE the wired combo on the 2 cross side with force follow on the CB into the pack for the break up.......the rest is a no brainer.

Brknrun: With all due respect, there are no combinations by hitting the 2 cross-side. The 4 or the 11 are not lined up to go into the corner pocket.

What ball does Scott think will go in if you hit the 2?
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I see what Scott is saying, and that is some pure aggressive 1pocket right there with the 8 on the bottom rail....kind of reminds me of a Ronnie Allen move maybe.

Gerry
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
BRKNRUN said:
I just pulled this up and showed this to Scott Frost...He looked at it for a second and said, "The out is a lock with ball in hand"....Roll in the 9 with a little follow.....FIRE the wired combo on the 2 cross side with force follow on the CB into the pack for the break up.......the rest is a no brainer.

Brknrun: With all due respect, there are no combinations by hitting the 2 cross-side. The 4 or the 11 are not lined up to go into the corner pocket.

What ball does Scott think will go in if you hit the 2?
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No, he didn't say to shoot at the 2 with the cue ball. He said that the 6-5-2 combo is wired to send the 2 cross corner into the player's pocket, that the 6 should be hit with force follow to open up the rack, and that getting out from there would be trivial.
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PoolSharkAllen said:
BRKNRUN said:
I just pulled this up and showed this to Scott Frost...He looked at it for a second and said, "The out is a lock with ball in hand"....Roll in the 9 with a little follow.....FIRE the wired combo on the 2 cross side with force follow on the CB into the pack for the break up.......the rest is a no brainer.

Brknrun: With all due respect, there are no combinations by hitting the 2 cross-side. The 4 or the 11 are not lined up to go into the corner pocket.

What ball does Scott think will go in if you hit the 2?
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Just so this does not get out of hand, I did NOT show this to Scott Frost...I had put at the bottom of the post that I was "Just Kidding", but I fear it may get missed.

and no, I am not "sure" the 2 ball combo/bank is wired....Its impossible to tell via the wie table...(but it does look close to me)....

I really don't see anyone shooting this shot for any kind of serious cash on the line against a top one pocket player, but depending on how weak a one pocket player your playing for and the amount of money, one "might" attempt such an offensive shot.

Heck...I have seen more than one good one pocket player playing a weak player break the rack open like in 8-ball and then wait for the other player to miss.
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Gerry said:
I see what Scott is saying, and that is some pure aggressive 1pocket right there with the 8 on the bottom rail....kind of reminds me of a Ronnie Allen move maybe.

Gerry
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I have heard Scott named as the "modern day Ronnie Allen" on more than one occasion, that is why I used his name.

I did not really show it to him though
 
BRKNRUN said:
PoolSharkAllen said:
and no, I am not "sure" the 2 ball combo/bank is wired....Its impossible to tell via the wie table...(but it does look close to me)....
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Based upon the WEI table, I'm not convinced that the 6-5-2 is wired either. Notice that the 6-5 pair isn't quite lined up with the 2, which means that the effect of throw must be also be taken into account.

It would be a lot simpler to play the following sequence: 9, 13, 8, draw back the CB and shoot the 12-3-11 balls closer to the pocket.
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