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What's wrong Jimbo? An .008 radius don't get there for you?JimBo said:
Preach On
Preach on brother Jimbo, diamonds are supposed to be sharp, I was about to give up and believe I was the only one who still thought that, points go without saying, if you can't build a true spliced prong, don't do points. I know this is a less than popular opinion in the age of CNC but I can dream about a return to the ways of "real" cue building can't I?JimBo said:
Very nice designs.
iconcue said:if you were 100% sure why did you start your post with "i believe"?
I can't tell if you're really that slow or you're just trying so hard to pick nits. My post said I believe I have mentioned it *to HIM* but if not *to HIM* I am sure I've talked on the topic in the past. So maybe this was the first time I addressed him on the issue, it's certainly not my first time. I hate that you can't follow along and that I need to splain things to you slow like.
Jim
iconcue said:no offense markus! but i have always wondered why you come to a forum where people are always posting how sharp they like their points, and post pics of cues with rounded points and inlays and ask what we think???
Hi Iconcue,
first of all let me say, that we can do both ..really sharp points and full spliced one's. We are doing this since 1994. The market here might be a lot different than yours. People here put quality over design. Yes the points are most often CNC cut down to 0.3 mm radius in the lower price segment. But here not a lot of people are willing to pay the prices for full spliced cues.
Why do I post pics her?
Besides Jimbo's opinion (which I can fully understand and I appreciate his comments) there might be others interested...maybe..*lol
AND we really take the feedback serious to become better with every cue. This forum (Jimbo explicitly included !!) has a lot of knowledgable people. So why not just ask them. The answers might be tough but honest. That is ok for us.
Everybody here is invited to vist us at VF 2006 or in Rockville (December 3 and 4 at the Planet Nineball Tournament) to see the cues in real and make up his mind about them.
regards,
Markus
PS: Jimbo, whenever we shall meet first beer is on me !
skins said:just for kicks and giggles, these diamonds and points are not .008 radius they are probably .016 (1/32nd end mill).
Sorry,the .008 was the reading I got off my laptop's screen.
IMO, If the points are CNC, I often find myself doubting the "value" of the cue. For the money, I want the cue to be hand made in order to think of it as art and "valuable".
Very subjective, but it's a gut feeling as much as visual.
Very subjective, but it's a gut feeling as much as visual.
Mr. Wilson said:
Hi Dave,
except for cutting the inlays and pockets everything is truely handmade. We, for instance built all ourself except for the tips (but rings, ferrules, all screws etc) Even those CNC cut inlays and pockets do need handwork. Besides the knowledge one needs to built a good cue it takes a lot of quality craftmensship to actually be able to built a solid cue (I am not only talking about us but every cuemaker here) So your gut feeling may be right for you but I would recommend, that you visit a cuemaker nearby and just watch him for a little while. Once you have seen how much creativity, work, devotion and knowledge goes even into a "CNC" cue you might change your opinion.
If you ever are in Germany...you have a standing invitation to our shop!
(Same counts for every AZ Board User, especially Jimbo and Iconcue
Markus
SphinxnihpS
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Razor sharp point are still made on a machine, just like every other part of a cue. Not too many cue whittlers out there.
The first cue looks very well laid out, very crisp. Not sure about the stain. That birdseye could probably stand on its own without it. Very appealing.
Second cue also has some outstanding wood. I'm not crazy about the light colored points, but that's a question of personal taste. If either one of those came out of my shop I'd be proud to show them to anybody, sharp points or not.
Second cue also has some outstanding wood. I'm not crazy about the light colored points, but that's a question of personal taste. If either one of those came out of my shop I'd be proud to show them to anybody, sharp points or not.
SphinxnihpS
Banned
iconcue said:
with a vertical mill and a pointy bit (or a number of other ways) your problem seems to be your idea of what constitutes a machine, but rest assured that even tools as primative as a table saw are still considered such even lathes are machines even lathes
(edit) i just realized that it may not be clear, but when i say a vertical mill and poity bit i am referring to cutting the spaces in the forearm where the points will be glued and the points themselves can be made quite accurately on a table saw
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iconcue said:
Easy.
Mr. Wilson said:
I don't believe you have a good grasp as to how cues are made, there really is no such thing as "hand made" anymore. You may mean V groove spliced points, but again I'm sure I can show you some cues and have you guess as to how the points were done and you'd be wrong. CNC is not some evil contraption that you put a block of wood in and get a cue out the other side, but I am of a strong belief that it's more how you use the technology and what you do in the way of design and execution and finish work. I think a big part of the trouble with custom cues today is a lack of education, the collectors need to know more info so that they can easily decide what makes a cue worth what it's worth and what goes into the finished product.
Jim
iconcue said:
As far as inlays go the male parts can be cut sharp with a round bit, the females can't but they are either cut a bit smaller and then hand cut a tiny bit to fit the piece or in the case of ebony cut a bit larger and then the glue hides the gap, this is why inlays done in lite woods are so much harder to get exact and cuemakers love that real Black ebony.
But I really have no clue since I'm no cuemaker.Jim