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RSB-Refugee

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I was at DCC last year watching the banks tournament. It seemed to me that, for the better players, the two rails, short rail, long rail to the side pocket shot, was almost automatic. I have gotten to where I can get withinin a diamond of the side pocket every time (not near enough). I have tried "spot on the wall" methods and every thing else I can think of. There is nothing that seems to give me any type of accuracy. Is this covered in The Beard's book? Does anyone have any advice on how to improve my chances on this shot? While your at it, advice on two rails, short-long, to the corner pocket, would be appreciated also.

Thanks,
Tracy
 
RSB-Refugee said:
I was at DCC last year watching the banks tournament. It seemed to me that, for the better players, the two rails, short rail, long rail to the side pocket shot, was almost automatic. I have gotten to where I can get withinin a diamond of the side pocket every time (not near enough). I have tried "spot on the wall" methods and every thing else I can think of. There is nothing that seems to give me any type of accuracy. Is this covered in The Beard's book? Does anyone have any advice on how to improve my chances on this shot? While your at it, advice on two rails, short-long, to the corner pocket, would be appreciated also.

Thanks,
Tracy
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I use the mirror method to bank myself. I just flip the table over in my head and cut towards that mirror imaged pocket. Works good. As far as two railers, I do them literally by feel. All it takes is good practice and learning the rails and speed of a table before you can be two railing with the best of them.

Shorty
 
Try this and see how it works:

Basic idea is “knowing where the pocket is”.

Set the cue ball one diamond up from the corner pocket and bank it in the side, do the same for the second and third diamond up from the corner pocket; now you know where the pocket is for “two rails (short/long) in the side”. Do the same for the “two rails to corner” now using all the diamonds along the long rail. This will certainly help your kicking ability if nothing else. Naturally, if the cue ball is positioned somewhere “between” the diamonds you just make the adjustment; this will be easy because you ALREADY know where the pocket is, RIGHT!!!

NOW

Just set an object ball in front of the cue ball and begin “practicing” banking the object ball into the side and corner pockets from all diamond positions.

THINGS TO CONSIDER

Use you “natural” stroke at first to pocket the balls, I’ll assume you know that if you hit the ball hard it will bank short and vice versa.

You may want to transpose a bit of “running” english to the object ball to help the bank.

OR

You can compensate by hitting the cushion a bit to the left or right of where you think you should.

JR
 
Hitting a 2-railer in the side is quite difficult. It's all about speed and not much about the fine angle adjustment you'd thing is essential. If you shoot a 2-railer into side with a hard stroke and a soft stroke, the difference might be over a full diamond between these two, depending on the direction of aim. The angle changes so much because there is a huge difference if the object ball is sliding or rolling when hitting the cushion. Rolling ball will go wider than a sliding ball. That's why it's also essential to realize that there is a difference if the object ball is near the cushion or far away. If it's far away, it'll more likely be rolling on the impact to the first cushion and sliding if it's located near the cushion in the first place.

Here are two shots with identical angles but if you shoot them with a same medium stroke, you get different angle on the object ball coming out from the second cushion.

Sliding object ball:

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)END

Rolling object ball (if not shot very hard):

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Try these two with identical strokes. You should find that they hit different areas in the vicinity of the side pocket.

EDIT: if you want to learn how to make these both, don't adjust your aim, just your speed.
 
Just do this ...

Play 'Golf' on a Snooker table. It will help your banking
and kicking abilities a lot. We have a place in town where
that is the Main Game that goes on there for money.
 
RSB-Refugee said:
I was at DCC last year watching the banks tournament. It seemed to me that, for the better players, the two rails, short rail, long rail to the side pocket shot, was almost automatic. I have gotten to where I can get withinin a diamond of the side pocket every time (not near enough). I have tried "spot on the wall" methods and every thing else I can think of. There is nothing that seems to give me any type of accuracy. Is this covered in The Beard's book?
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Tracy, not only is it covered in Freddy's book, that shot serves as the cover ilustration.

Fred
 
Thanks for the thoughts on how to learn this shot. The rolling vs. sliding object ball makes sense. I seemed to follow the same line to the first rail and get different outcomes, from shot to shot. I think that was making “knowing where the pocket is”, as deadaim says, hard to figure out. Now that I know the variables, hopefully I will be able to figure out where the pocket is. Fred, do you have a copy of Banking with the Beard? I plan to get a copy of it someday. Thanks again for the help.

Tracy
 
RSB-Refugee said:
Fred, do you have a copy of Banking with the Beard? I plan to get a copy of it someday. Thanks again for the help.

Tracy
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I do have a copy. It's well worth it.

Fred
 
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