2025 Southwest Cues

wrldpro said:
That would be mass production and no longer a custom made cue. They are more concerned about quality not quantity. This is why they charge a premium and are wanted by many players and collectors around the world.
I guess you’re saying I’m a sucker?
Well I’d be a sucker again as often as they would let me.
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Custom cue means that it’s built to your specifications. It has nothing to do with the amount of curs made.
Take all the time that is required to produce that kind of a cue to the highest quality and it won’t take that long.
It is merely a way to ne able to price them higher.
I don’t think that you are a sucker. You could have passed on them if you didn’t want them and was ready to pay the price
 
billiards_watch said:
It is a scam. The business model that is and some will argue the cues are too.

To add, if they are making 25 cues a year which means 2 per month. Each cue retails for around lets say 5k. They are making 10k per month doing this forever. Easy 6 figures.

No other company does this and there are a lot of great cue makers.

They somehow got people to believe this and if one day you get the phone call or email....it sort of forces you to buy it since you've been waiting for so long. I would probably buy one if they email me one day saying I'm up next.
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I’ve played with a couple of SW cues, they hit extremely nice but they are all too heavy for me
 
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so how much?

(given that it’s a personal question
and that value is always in flux
and that some people can afford tea
in the morning but not milk
and that other people can afford
fine tea and delicious milk
and high quality sugar
and even a second cup)
 
wrldpro said:
If they are only making 25 cues a year and they are 200 cues behind it’s probably easy math.
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They are making more than 25/year now.

I’ve been over to visit Laurie a few times in the last couple months. SW is back in action! Ofc they will never print cues like McD or the like, but they are making more than 25 for sure. I’ve been going there since 87 and kinda have a feel for things. I can’t say anything else. Other than SW and Co are back! And it’s going well.

Best
Fatboy 😃👍
 
markjames said:
so how much?

(given that it’s a personal question
and that value is always in flux
and that some people can afford tea
in the morning but not milk
and that other people can afford
fine tea and delicious milk
and high quality sugar
and even a second cup)
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I like sweet milk tea😋
 
wrldpro said:
That would be mass production and no longer a custom made cue. They are more concerned about quality not quantity. This is why they charge a premium and are wanted by many players and collectors around the world.
I guess you’re saying I’m a sucker?
Well I’d be a sucker again as often as they would let me.
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Can’t go wrong buying a SW from SW. ever.

That won’t change. 1000%

Fatboy<——-Bobby I’ll tell you why next we talk. Too much biz for public air waves
 
Fatboy said:
They are making more than 25/year now.

I’ve been over to visit Laurie a few times in the last couple months. SW is back in action! Ofc they will never print cues like McD or the like, but they are making more than 25 for sure. I’ve been going there since 87 and kinda have a feel for things. I can’t say anything else. Other than SW and Co are back! And it’s going well.

Best
Fatboy 😃👍
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Thank you.

That is good to hear.
 
billiards_watch said:
It is a scam. The business model that is and some will argue the cues are too.

To add, if they are making 25 cues a year which means 2 per month. Each cue retails for around lets say 5k. They are making 10k per month doing this forever. Easy 6 figures.

No other company does this and there are a lot of great cue makers.

They somehow got people to believe this and if one day you get the phone call or email....it sort of forces you to buy it since you've been waiting for so long. I would probably buy one if they email me one day saying I'm up next.
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What a dumb post. First, we know that there are at least two people at SW. Your 10k per month doesn't look so hot when split.

Then subtract the monthly overhead of the building space, taxes, utilities, etc..

Now subtract the material cost, expendables cost, and maintenance cost.

Your 10k estimate is a money losing proposition.

I'm sure this is all beyond your comprehension, so don't quit your assistant to the assistant manager job at Arby's.

I have no particular love or hate for SW, but stupid should be called out. If they can get 5k for a cue, that is great for them. If they had ever been accused of shady dealings, that would be different. People like you postulating on how much SW makes just reeks of pettiness against a company with a sterling rep.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
What a dumb post. First, we know that there are at least two people at SW. Your 10k per month doesn't look so hot when split.

Then subtract the monthly overhead of the building space, taxes, utilities, etc..

Now subtract the material cost, expendables cost, and maintenance cost.

Your 10k estimate is a money losing proposition.

I'm sure this is all beyond your comprehension, so don't quit your assistant to the assistant manager job at Arby's.

I have no particular love or hate for SW, but stupid should be called out. If they can get 5k for a cue, that is great for them. If they had ever been accused of shady dealings, that would be different. People like you postulating on how much SW makes just reeks of pettiness against a company with a sterling rep.
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ROFL you know I was being generous with the 5k right? I was giving the low end.

You know how much SW cues are right?
 
billiards_watch said:
ROFL you know I was being generous with the 5k right? I was giving the low end.

You know how much SW cues are right?
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Price from the factory? Don't know. Don't care. Secondary market is likely higher because there is no wait...

Why would you, 'be generous' if you think you know something.

FWIW, when you quote the low end, you are being 'conservative'. Being generous would be quoting the high end, or possibly higher.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Price from the factory? Don't know. Don't care. Secondary market is likely higher because there is no wait...

Why would you, 'be generous' if you think you know something.

FWIW, when you quote the low end, you are being 'conservative'. Being generous would be quoting the high end, or possibly higher.
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Generously low amount.

Considered one of the best shooting cues at the peak of their popularity. I knew a regular with one 25 years ago and I remember it feeling heavy and fat. That was a long ass time ago.

I really need to find that email I sent her. I remember writing her and explaining what I wanted. It was a copycat of another cue they made and I remember saying, "this email is to validate my spot on the waiting list." Never heard from her. I don't even know if that email would put me on the list. Things kind of change in 20 years. If they ever respond then I take it. LOL

I even remember rumors of Southwest giving customers loaner cues. I believe when your cue was in for repair or something like that. I'm sure members here would chime in.
 
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No one can argue that it's NOT a horrible business model. They've had the reputation for being a top of the line builder for over 30 years. None of them are getting rich. I'd say they all make a modest living. But they have the potential to blow the doors off. Their designs lend themselves well to ramping up production. They are not complex with inlays and super exotic materials. No good reason for them to not figure a way to ramp up and fill the demand.
 
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billiards_watch said:
It is a scam. The business model that is and some will argue the cues are too.
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a scam is something illegal, dishonest, or having a bad reputation

you can call them slow and expensive

you can say they’re slower than eklent kaci
and more over priced than a rolls-royce

but one thing they are not is ‘a scam’

(i would like to spend a day there just to
see how long the lunch break is and if they
take coffee breaks and what time they go home)
 
markjames said:
a scam is something illegal, dishonest, or having a bad reputation

you can call them slow and expensive

you can say they’re slower than eklent kaci
and more over priced than a rolls-royce

but one thing they are not is ‘a scam’

(i would like to spend a day there just to
see how long the lunch break is and if they
take coffee breaks and what time they go home)
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Scam is a harsh description and I didn't mean scam, scam.

They're slow but its believed to be a one man shop and they don't have worker bees completing the cues.
 
Hungarian said:
No one can argue that it's NOT a horrible business model. They've had the reputation for being a top of the line builder for over 30 years. None of them are getting rich. I'd say they all make a modest living. But they have the potential to blow the doors off. Their designs lend themselves well to ramping up production. They are not complex with inlays and super exotic materials. No good reason for them to not figure a way to ramp up and fill the demand.
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From a business model, meaning the goal is simply to maximize profit and capitalize on opportunities, yes, it might be a bad model.

From a lifestyle perspective, it might be pretty effing awesome. Maybe they love making cues. Maybe they enjoy the reputation they have. Maybe they get pleasure out of knowing that people are willing to have babies and send them to college before their cue is ready. Maybe they are comfortable living off the income provided by working as much as they want.

I've never fully understood the aura that surrounds SW cues. Not bad by any definition, I just haven't felt or seen anything magical about them. They seem to make a lot of people happy, and there are a lot worse ways to go through life than spreading joy.

I know it is shocking to many on here, but money is not the main motivating factor for everyone.
 
I've seen one South I liked. Reverse splicey windowed points. The guy left it in the car. Curled like a hot dog. RIP.
 
I believe that it takes 6 months up to a year to build a cue like the classic SW design to the highest quality.
So if they only work on 2 cues per day, they should be able to put out 500 cues per year.
Waiting for 19 years means that they only started working on these cues a year ago. that is one heck of a list....
 
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