2d hand cue's priceguide! Dont beat me, TEACH me

[Solartje]

hiya all, as im new not sure if it has been done yet, but i really cant see why there isnt a priceguide stickied in this forum part.

most people only discuss prices true pm's, and almost no one will give there prices public. I dont really see on what way this is helping the players . (its helping the sellers who are hoping someone isnt really an expert in 2d hand prices and will offer 25 - 50$ more then others would.) but to me a forum is all about the PLAYERS. not about the shops/sellers etc.

For new cue's, u can easily check the most often refered sites for new prices, and many give 20% on retail cue's. but its almost impossible to know what a fair 2d hand prices is+-.

i take my own example. ive never owned a pool cue, ive never traded any cue. And my first instinct is , that if no AIDS is given to let newcommers learn by themself what a good 2d hand cue deal is. They will most probably never trade a 2d hand cue, and only buy them new. wich isnt helping the comunity, the sellers here, or anyone. A barely used new cue, will play probably 98% as good as a new one but will cost u half of the price.

Couldnt someone start a post trade, where 2d hand prices of the most comon asked for cues are posted/discussed. doesnt has to be spot on or anything, just a priceguide.

like:
predator P2: a+ condition = xxx $ , Slightly used = xxx$, very used = xxx$
predator ..... etc

Schon : A+ condition = xxx $, slightly used = xxx $ , very used = xxx$

McDermot: A+ ... blallala

i dont see in wich way this could hurt either the sellers, and it surely WILL help newcomers to learn by themself. like snapshot (Scott) says: 'dont BEAT them, TEACH them'.

so PLZZZZZZZZZ teach newcomers as me, how cue's devaluate, how to spot good deals, how to know when someone is asking fair prices. Some cue's double in prices, some cue's lose 75% of there value. im really surprised a forum of this quality like AZB doesnt has a stickied priceguide. I got the sadly impression its all about MONEY MONEY and not about TEACHING.

Sometimes ive got the impression im surfing on ebay rather than on a forum...

greats from solly "the nab"

 

[mjantti]

Hey Solartje. I think you need to get a copy of a Blue Book of pool cues, there is a section which explains the system for second hand cue pricing. And the basic idea of the system is: (drums) there is not 100% reliable system ! It's all about buyers and sellers, it's how much a certain cue is worth in the market after it has been used. Some cue be worth 95% of the original price after being used slightly, the other brand might be worth only 75%. There is hardly any way to make an easy approach to this.

The BB of pool cues gives certain guidelines in evaluating cues condition:

100%: New, mint. No signs of wear whatsoever
98%: Almost no observable wear, chalk on tip, perhaps extremely light scratching on finish. In other words, it has been played.
95%: Has seen some play, very light wear, still close to mint
70%: Nocieable wear, possible shaft warpage, chips and dings, still playable (no cracks in non-vital areas)

and so on. But don't take these as price reductions. It doesn't work that way. Like you will notice, if you are buying a cue and you find a desperate seller (won't be difficult to fing amond poolplayers ) you can probably negotiate a very good deal on a certain cue. Or if you find a rich seller who happens to have some very rare and sought -after cues (Searings, Herceks, Szambotis etc.), be prepared to pay way over the price you'd pay at the cuemaker's shop (with the multi-year waiting list). There is a major difference in production and custom cues, as well as special cues and one-of-a-kinds etc. Just keep your eyes peeled for certain prices of certain cuebrands and you'll be much wiser.

And no, I'm not an expert, a cuedealer could give you much better answer, I'm just helping out a fellow European

 

[Quesports]

Get the new 3rd edition of Blue Book of Pool Cues just got mine and they have seperated the cuemakers prices for a cue and also give the secondary current market prices for their cues. Don't ask me how they came up with the figures as I just got my book yesterday and am still studying it.
Hope this will help you,
Dan

 

[coastydad]

Get the new 3rd edition of Blue Book of Pool Cues just got mine and they have seperated the cuemakers prices for a cue and also give the secondary current market prices for their cues. Don't ask me how they came up with the figures as I just got my book yesterday and am still studying it.
Hope this will help you,
Dan

Dan - where did you order yours from? I'm thinking of ordering from Overstock.com, but, if the wait is too long I'll order from Blue Book.

 

[Hidy Ho]

Dont you think eBay's selling prices provide reasonable estimate of fair market value of a cue?

Especially for production cue, if I follow a particular cue, I can sense it's market price (and thus a good price). There is a "range" for a market price since actually selling price depends on how the moon is aligned to venus and mars and how badly someone wants the cue based on star alignment. Some weeks are better than others .. typically inversed relationship between seller and buyer

 

[SPINTHEBALL]

Dont you think eBay's selling prices provide reasonable estimate of fair market value of a cue?

Especially for production cue, if I follow a particular cue, I can sense it's market price (and thus a good price). There is a "range" for a market price since actually selling price depends on how the moon is aligned to venus and mars and how badly someone wants the cue based on star alignment. Some weeks are better than others .. typically inversed relationship between seller and buyer

Jazz, you are right on the mark. That is the place where you can establish a secondary market price.

 

[DawgAndy]

Can you imagine try to write a book on prices using Ebay as a guide? I'd by stock in white out! Like other Blue Books (except the one behind the counter at the video store) I imagine this one favors the seller or collector with high prices. A seller can say "below book value" which may in fact be actual market value and a collector can have his 15k collection insured for book value at 20 to 25k. Like car buying it has to be below book or it's not a good deal. There's always exceptions but that's a general rule.

Andy

 

[Solartje]

ok thx for the info guys and girls?. i didnt knew this blue book existed, as im new to pool, and no US living.

ps iconcue: who's that in the picture? she surely looks cute and totally unreal and out of reach for any man. but its nice to see some cute faces will surfing on the forum. makes it less "boring" sometimes.

greats from solly.

 

[BillYards]

I agree that production cues might be fairly valued from the selling prices on Ebay, but for custom cues, I have noticed that most people just don't have the cash to buy a high-end cue and are bargain shopping. Desperate sellers abound, so the prices seem to be quite low. Custom cues sell better in person anyway....