314 seems to deflect normally

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Cue of Fury said:
amen brother! they just work, period. If you somehow do not agree or do not like them, fine. Use something else if that floats your boat. Everyone makes their own choices. Just don't go around pretending like they are junk and that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot because you're only fooling yourself. I like the 314, but that doesn't mean I go around saying anything else is crap. That is childish and only causes problems.
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For the record, I think Red Dots are crap. :D
 
I wasn't holding my breath, Joe. Maybe the red dot just isn't the "one" for you. :p

I will post up here the response that I get from Neil. I think you'll enjoy it. ;)
 
Cue of Fury said:
I wasn't holding my breath, Joe. Maybe the red dot just isn't the "one" for you. :p

I will post up here the response that I get from Neil. I think you'll enjoy it. ;)
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I used to see Neil around SoCal.
Very solid player. Has the stroke of a god.
I hope he's keeping in stroke.
 
silver2k said:
I think you are a little to eager to say the predator is the best shaft ever. Any straight shaft would pass that test with flying colors. That test only matters on the stroke. If you can't pass that test 9/10, you shouldn't be shooting with a predator...you shouldn't even be shooting with a fury shaft. You should be using a house cue and spending your money on felt fees and instruction to GET A STRAIGHT STROKE. I would make sure you can shoot straight and with center ball consistently before you start messing with english and follow/draw.
When you hit the ball center ball with a level cue, there better not be ANY deflection....deflection is only encountered when you apply english. You can't use english on your test because english would change the rebounding angle of the cue ball....
IMHO you just WANT the predator to be better and as such you are finding results to say it is.
I shoot with a predator and like it. My game hasn't changed that much if any. I didn't need to relearn anything, but then again I am not running signifigantly more racks than I used to. Overall I am satisfied with my purchase though because I feel it has improved the hit of my cue, and I am now able to shoot more consistantly.
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Now here's a post that makes sense, I respect what you're saying and
there is nothing that I or anyone can say about it. There was another post made on here a couple of weeks ago my MUNGTOR. Here's what he said: "I learned with a Predator 314 because when a friend got me into playing seriously he let me use his old Predator until he sold it. When I got my own cue made I elected to stick with the 314 because it was what I learned with".
That makes a hell of a lot of sense also and is a wise move to stay with it.
 
Cue of Fury said:
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Anyway, I found a post from Sid at Seybert's which might be of some actual use to this site unlike drivermaker's recent attempts.

"It is basically less deflection with a smaller diameter. The main reasoning behind the Predator research is the less weight at the end of the shaft, the less deflection of the cue ball. That is why the end of the Predator shafts are hollow on the end of the shaft. The less weight at the end of the shaft enables the shaft to get out of the way of the cue ball easier so the shaft does not deflect the cue ball as much. The smaller diameter decreases the weight at the end of the shaft so therefor it will deflect less.
If you want to drive yourself crazy for a little bit, tape a coin or other weight on the ferrule and try some shots. It will deflect considerably more. I was in Vegas a couple of years ago and was hanging around the Predator booth with neil and shane goofing off on the table. Shane pulled out a Predator shaft that they had actually weighted internally with something in the end. Shooting with that shaft was really a hoot. It was very strange how shooting a normal shot with english you could miss the pocket by such a large margin. It was really eye opening." -Sid
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What the hell use is this information that you pulled off of Seyberts? EVERYBODY already knows this and it's been out there a million times over. You're just throwing shit on the wall to see what will stick to make yourself look like you know something, and I don't know whether you were born stupid or just got that way after you bought a Predator. Here's a quote from you on 4-21-04 (prior to your owning a Predator) "You don't need a fancy low-deflection shaft. You just gotta be a student of human moves. All of the greats that I know, to a man, were students of human moves. Eddie Felson
Those are your words asshole, or is this another case of your piss poor selective memory. Now, all you can talk about is low deflection, not to mention that you also put a sub-name under forum name, Predator. Who fucking cares?!!!

On 5-6-04 you played with a Predator for the first time and reported everything, almost verbatim that's in the ads or what you ever heard someone else say in threads. Now, here we are at 5-11-04 and you're a Predator expert. Unbelievable!! And don't say that your "fool" comments weren't directed at anyone in particular you pussy ass motherf#@*er. Stand up and be a man...it was directed at me and Silencer because we were the only two that came on and said something and your post followed right afterwards. I'm trying to find an interview from Frankie Hernandez, (I think) who now works for Predator and said that he had a hell of a time even making balls when he first started using one and he's a top notch professional. He actually gave up on it because he turned into a hack, until he went to work for them and stuck with it for a good while and spent a long time on the table getting used to it. Efren can't use one because he said "the ball never goes where I aim it", probably the greatest player on the planet and maybe ever.
And you...after 5 whole days are able to defend its characteristics and stand out with a megaphone implanted in your larynx about it being the greatest shaft out there. As I said earlier, you're a Predator newbie who's enthralled with your new purchase and you don't even know what there IS to know about how it plays, what it'll do and what it won't do...positively and negatively. All you have is a big mouth with no substance behind it and no experience to speak of. You're now dismissed........
 
*Edited* Thanks! I think you are swell too, drivermaker. What kind of driver can you fit and make for me? I like a 9.5 degree with a 60-65 gram graphite shaft, preferrably a stiff (low-deflection :p) tip. Maybe a UST ProForce? I also prefer full cord grips, they feel better to me. :)
 
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drivermaker said:
What the hell use is this information that you pulled off of Seyberts?

Well, it does back up what I have been saying.

EVERYBODY already knows this and it's been out there a million times over. You're just throwing shit on the wall to see what will stick to make yourself look like you know something, and I don't know whether you were born stupid or just got that way after you bought a Predator.

What is the relevance of how many times it has been said, you obviously still don't 'get it'. Sorry, you're wrong. I guess I am just trying to make you understand although it is difficult due to your apparent extreme anti-Predator bias. Your last comment there looks like it would be more applicable to you my friend.

Here's a quote from you on 4-21-04 (prior to your owning a Predator) "You don't need a fancy low-deflection shaft. You just gotta be a student of human moves. All of the greats that I know, to a man, were students of human moves. Eddie Felson
Those are your words asshole, or is this another case of your piss poor selective memory. Now, all you can talk about is low deflection, not to mention that you also put a sub-name under forum name, Predator. Who fucking cares?!!!

I can tell that you did not catch the sarcasm of that post, which is common on the internet because if you had heard me actually say it the way I meant it then there would be no confusion. My memory is fine, thanks for inquiring.

On 5-6-04 you played with a Predator for the first time and reported everything, almost verbatim that's in the ads or what you ever heard someone else say in threads. Now, here we are at 5-11-04 and you're a Predator expert. Unbelievable!!

You are right that it was the first time I played with the new shaft. Where you are so wrong is when you say I just repeated everything in the ads. I was just giving my honest feedback which people had asked for after I told them that I had the shaft. You are also quite wrong when you say that I am a Predator expert. Nowhere have I ever said or inferred that I was one, sorry. Your misunderstanding is what is unbelievable here.

And don't say that your "fool" comments weren't directed at anyone in particular you pussy ass motherf#@*er. Stand up and be a man...it was directed at me and Silencer because we were the only two that came on and said something and your post followed right afterwards.

I am sorry if you really feel that way. It was not my intent. Your reasoning is flawed. Simply because I posted after you does not mean I was talking to you. If I wanted to direct comments toward you I would have either used your name or quoted your post.

I'm trying to find an interview from Frankie Hernandez, (I think) who now works for Predator and said that he had a hell of a time even making balls when he first started using one and he's a top notch professional. He actually gave up on it because he turned into a hack, until he went to work for them and stuck with it for a good while and spent a long time on the table getting used to it. Efren can't use one because he said "the ball never goes where I aim it", probably the greatest player on the planet and maybe ever.

What does that have to do with anything? I can just as easily come back with this, a list of players who use Predator without being paid:
Alex Pagulayan
Antonio Lining
Antonio Gabica
Anthony Crosby
Bob Chaperon
Charlie Williams
Claude Bernatchez
Cliff Thorburn
Christian Reimering
Danny Harriman
Dany Hewitt
Evan Broxmeyer
Evgeny Stalev
Frankie Hernandez
Gerda Hofstatter
George SanSouci
Grady Mathews
Jasmin Ouschan
J.R. Calvert
Jayme Goodwin
Jimmy Wetch
Jennifer Chen
Joe Tucker
Jose Garcia
John Horsfall
Liz Schwartzreich
Karen Corr
Keith McCready
Luc Salvas
Max Eberle
Melissa Herndon
Ming Ng
Rafael Martinez
Ramil Gallego
Robby Foldvari
Rodolfo Luat
Ronnie Wiseman
Tang Hoa
Tom Rossman
Troy Frank
Warren Kiamco
Santos Sambajon
Tony Robles


And you...after 5 whole days are able to defend its characteristics and stand out with a megaphone implanted in your larynx about it being the greatest shaft out there.

Errrrr......where did I say that? I am just having a heck of a time recalling that one.

As I said earlier, you're a Predator newbie who's enthralled with your new purchase and you don't even know what there IS to know about how it plays, what it'll do and what it won't do...positively and negatively. All you have is a big mouth with no substance behind it and no experience to speak of.

A Predator newbie I am, but that is better than an ex-Predator sour-puss. I do know what it is like due to practicing and playing with it. Am I a "Predator expert" now? No, never said I was.

You're now dismissed........
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No, now you are dismissed........ :p
 
Joseph Cues said:
Sorry, but I think that is totally wrong.
314's have light ends so that the TIP ITSELF deflects off the cueball BEFORE the cueball deflects off the tip.
So, 314's actually stay on the ball shorter ( in time) than regular shafts.
A quality shaft with a forward flex point and knowledge of backhand english would be enough for most players imo.
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Here is Neil Fujiwara's response:

Neil Fujiwara
Predator Cues Rep

Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 707
Location: Jacksonville FL

The faster the tip is pushed aside when using any English, the more spin it puts on the ball.


Any english of course includes draw, side, top, etc. :p
 
That I don't understand.
Shafts with long barrels spin the ball more b/c it stays on the cueball longer ( thus the catapult effect). That's why I don't like them. They spin the ball too much causing more misses and making the cueball more uncontrollable.
Then, you have the 3-cushion players who play with really stiff shafts with small tips b/c they need to spin the beejezles out of the cueball.
 
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Joseph Cues said:
I used to see Neil around SoCal.
Very solid player. Has the stroke of a god.
I hope he's keeping in stroke.
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Neil is still shooting wonderfully. He plays out of my pool hall. He's definitely got a natural stroke. ...what sets him aside of other good pool players is that he isn't cocky about his game like some others, for example corey!! I like to shoot with him on occaision, I feel that I can learn something from him by just watching!
 
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