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KCRack'em

KCRack'em

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I looked at a building today that is 50x100. There are restrooms and a small office in one corner.
Parking is sufficient and it is a block off Main St.
I'd like to have about 4 electronic dart boards.
I've been told it is prudent to own the jukebox.
I'm wondering if this might be workable for a small room. I know it needs a kitchen and some retail space. I would likely go with just a beer and wine license and a simple food menu.
I'm not sure how many tables would fit. I'd like to have 2 coin-ops at 8 feet each and the rest would be 9-foot hourly tables.
The best part (note the sarcasm) is that the owner wouldn't shoot me a firm price for sale or for lease. My guess is that he would like $5,000 per month, but it will stay empty in this town at that rate. It's a nice building and is a former Blockbuster.
Thoughts?
Karl
 
If you own the jukebox you have the issue of getting a music license for paying royalties when you play the songs. Thats why most people use a vendor. I would put mostly 7 foot tables in. More tables = more people = more drinks. 9 foot tables are for more serious players. Most players want the little tables these days. Thats why most 9 ft rooms have so much trouble surviving. Good luck on your venture.
 
i was talking at the Derby to Mary Kenningston, She used to own CueTopia here in Vegas it was my 2or3rd all time favorite room its a tie. We had a conversation about the topic of the pool room biz.

Anyways I been a biz man my whole life, Mary has been as well, she played on the pro tour and seen a zillion rooms and wrote down all her ideas when she built Cuetopia. I have been in well over 100 room at that time earily 90's. And had thought about opening a room a time or 2 back then.

When I first saw her room, I realized it was about what I was gonna open, a 20 table room. We talked about it and the optimal size room is 20 tables because when its slow 1 person can handle it, it isnt to much space to heat/cool etc. Theses 20,000 sqft rooms cost $3,000/day to open which is cool if you have built up the biz and added on like Barry Berhman has to his room in Va.


These days unless you can get good rent bar boxes are the way to go cause you can stack more ppl in the room, personally i wouldnt open a barbox room, I dont like that crowd. I'd open it and never go and just get the $$$. Thats how I run all my businesses.


right now there are good spaces fpr lease/sale and equipment can be found cheap too, 5 years ago it would have cost triple to open a room. So now is the time to do it.

I'm not interested tho, too much work for too little $$,
 
5000 sf room

KCRack'em said:
I looked at a building today that is 50x100. There are restrooms and a small office in one corner.
Parking is sufficient and it is a block off Main St.
I'd like to have about 4 electronic dart boards.
I've been told it is prudent to own the jukebox.
I'm wondering if this might be workable for a small room. I know it needs a kitchen and some retail space. I would likely go with just a beer and wine license and a simple food menu.
I'm not sure how many tables would fit. I'd like to have 2 coin-ops at 8 feet each and the rest would be 9-foot hourly tables.
The best part (note the sarcasm) is that the owner wouldn't shoot me a firm price for sale or for lease. My guess is that he would like $5,000 per month, but it will stay empty in this town at that rate. It's a nice building and is a former Blockbuster.
Thoughts?
Karl
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We have a room that is 5000 square feet, 50x100, and it's a good size for us. We have a small kitchen, 2 bathrooms, a small office, and a cue repair shop/storage room. We also have a pro shop area for cues and cases and have had as many as 18 tables. We don't have any dart boards, maybe we should, and a jukebox would never work for us. About the time someone played the same rap song 3 times in a row it would be out in the street. We have never served alcohol, but we do just about everything else. As a small town room you have to do as many things as you can to survive. We make and repair cues, sell cues, cases,and accessories, sell tables, move and recover personal tables, and sell lots of food. My personal opinion is that it would be VERY difficult to make a 5000 sq ft room, with a $5000 rent payment, work in your town. Baker City has a population of 10,000 or so, the majority 45-64 years of age. There's only 16,000 in the whole county. That's just not enough to draw from for a room with that rent payment. If I was set on a place in Baker City, I would look for a place that was cheap, around 3000 feet, have a couple 9 footers, 6 7 foot coin-ops, darts, beer/wine, food, and most importantly, Oregon Lottery games. For what it's worth, Eugene/Springfield has several hundred thousand people, the University of Oregon, and not a single pool hall. If you're ever in Medford, stop in. My wife Susie grew up in Richland, and would love to say hi.

Dave Smith
oldschoolpool.com
 
My room was that exact same size. Had a little office- I sold B&W, soda's snacks. Had a nice bar. I had 15 tables and M&W rooms. IMHO this is a good size. One person can handle it. Maybe get a pt helper for Friday or Saturday nights. Frankly paying $5000 for rent is insane. You won't make it. I paid $3000 and it was a tough nut to hit especially in the summer. Maybe the landlord will work with you on rent based on gross income.
 
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