5/16 x 14 vs. piloted 5/16 x 14

[bankshot76]

I'm getting ready to order a shaft for a cue, and the Joss joint is a piloted5/16 x 14 . But, the joint on the shaft is a 5/16 x 14, am I just worrying about nothing here or is there actually a difference? I don't believe there is a difference, if I'm not mistaken the "piloted" means it's just easier to start the threads I believe. I just thought I'd check though. Thanks.

 

[td873]

I'm getting ready to order a shaft for a cue, and the Joss joint is a piloted5/16 x 14 . But, the joint on the shaft is a 5/16 x 14, am I just worrying about nothing here or is there actually a difference? I don't believe there is a difference, if I'm not mistaken the "piloted" means it's just easier to start the threads I believe. I just thought I'd check though. Thanks.

They are not the same. A piloted shaft has a "pilot" sticking out of it. A normal 5/16-14 is flat faced. See below.

Many cue makers built 5/16X14 piloted joints with just a brass insert or a bit of wood sticking out, i.e., the pilot. These are not flat faced, since the face of the joint has a pilot (on the shaft) and a recess (on the butt)


On this shaft, the pilot is rounded, but there isn't alot of brass showing (but there is some wood showing)

On this shaft, more brass showing (but there is still some wood showing)

On this shaft, there is almost NO wood showing, and only the pilot is showing

A piloted joint:

Just the butt

Here are some examples of some different joints:

An example of radial flat faced joint:

An example of 5/16X14 flat faced joint:

An example of 3/8X10 flat faced joint:

-td

 

[ShootingArts]

excellent explanation and images

Ecellent explanation and images.

Hu

They are not the same. A piloted shaft has a "pilot" sticking out of it. A normal 5/16-14 is flat faced. See below.

Many cue makers built 5/16X14 piloted joints with just a brass insert or a bit of wood sticking out, i.e., the pilot. These are not flat faced, since the face of the joint has a pilot (on the shaft) and a recess (on the butt)


On this shaft, the pilot is rounded, but there isn't alot of brass showing (but there is some wood showing)

On this shaft, more brass showing (but there is still some wood showing)

On this shaft, there is almost NO wood showing, and only the pilot is showing

A piloted joint:

Just the butt

Here are some examples of some different joints:

An example of radial flat faced joint:

An example of 5/16X14 flat faced joint:

An example of 3/8X10 flat faced joint:

-td

 

[pwd72s]

A greenie to td from me...that was great...the pics and the 'splainin'!

 

[Perryboat2009]

Just a quick question about this old thread.

Image #4. Do all 5/16 x 14 joints have that "recess" on the butt end of joint?

 

[EtDM]

Not necessarily, but most do.

For some reason 5/16 x 18 flat faced joints are much more common than 5/16 x 14, which tend to be piloted.

 

[Perryboat2009]

Got it, thanks. So if im going to have a custom cue made, I need to tell the cue maker to to make it a piloted joint. Its not a given that all 5/16 x 14's are piloted.

 

[bbb]

Putting a flat face shiaft over piloted joint will work fine as long as the connection is good
I asked this question in the asked the cue maker section a while back
I'm on my phone so I can not provide a link

 

[Cezar Morales]

"Piloted "

With all being said , i deduce that "piloted"will imply that the shaft will have brass or metal insert right ?
Also for a "piloted" butt joint also seems to have a bigger hole surrounding the pin as compared to a phenolic joint which seems to have little space around the pin ?

Therefore piloted must be a ss joint , yes ?

Can anyone tell me if i am right ?

 

[slide13]

Piloted need not be a stainless joint, many or most are, but you can find piloted phenolic joints as well.

 

[ctyhntr]

5/16x18 is common in production cues. Production cues way out number custom cues, but custom cues are more common and noticeable in certain pool sub-cultures.

Not necessarily, but most do.

For some reason 5/16 x 18 flat faced joints are much more common than 5/16 x 14, which tend to be piloted.