He Just Don't Get IT!
Again John, more out right
lies on your part.. We have been doing 5's and under and scotch doubles event's for years now. All anyone has to do is go back in the history of AZB and pull up all the Tournament listings I have posted for years now. Again, you have absolutly no clue of what you are talking about. It's amazing that you can crawl out of the woodwork and try and belittle my name, but all you have succeeded in doing again, is making a complete a$$ of yourself..
My events were sent out the second part of Feb. See below:
Subject: Re: 2/18/2006 $600.00 Added Scotch Doubles Triple Elim @ Q Billia rds, Darien...
Date: 3/7/2006 3:05:21 P.M. Central Standard Time
From: Windycityopen
Your scheduling of each weekend happened on:
Subject: APA 8-Ball Doubles National Championships
Date: 3/2/2006 4:38:05 P.M. Central Standard Time
From:
jgray@chicagolandpool.com
Reply To:
To:
jgray@chicagolandpool.com
CC:
BCC:
THIS IS 2 WEEKS AFTER I SENT OUT MY EVENTS..
Anyone that would like to see the original confirmation, I would be more than willing to send it to you, just ask..
Considering that you John, have an event scheduled every weekend of the month, how can you accuse me of scheduling over you when there is no other oppertunity to schedule when you have already? Hello... OMG, you gotta be kidding me... ANSWER THAT QUESTION!! Quit your lies and just stand up and answer the question instead of more of your lies...
So again John, open mouth insert your foot. Geez, don't you get tired of that? To answer you question, and that is more then I can say for you answering mine, because YOU don't address legitimate questions directed to you, as it always has been, my problem is with the bar. Try answering the questions I have presented to you...Why don't you understand that? Why don't you tell everyone that I suggested other places and even told you that I would get you in over at Q, to help you out.. REMEMBER?
If we get requests for any type of event, we run em. I don't need your permisssion to continue doing my job.
Now, since I keep all my IM's here is a copy of the IM we had between us 2 weeks ago, to again refresh your CRS memory..The only change to the IM is that I omitted the name of the other person.
Jgray6987 [5:13 P.M.]: Hi.....eydie
Am I to assume that you no longer want to work with each other regarding pool tournaments.
Windycityopen [5:14 P.M.]: No whay John?
Windycityopen [5:14 P.M.]: what
Jgray6987 [5:16 P.M.]: I just realized that I get all the e-mails for your tounaments, yet i do not receive any of my tournament fliers back from you. Makes me think that you do not foward them to your e-mail list when there is no conflict with one of your tournaments.
Windycityopen [5:18 P.M.]: I have not forwarded yours or anyone elses for that fact in months. Why do I need to explain that to u? I have a email list of over 6000 people and not one of them have received anything of mine from you. So what are you telling me?
Windycityopen [5:20 P.M.]: You know John, I have been in this business for over 5 years now... You have come in the past 6 months and gone to a place that owes me and (name omitted) money and want us to promote your venues for you> I told you that I would be happy to help you with Rudy's and I still am, BUT NOT CLUB BC!
Jgray6987 [5:21 P.M.]: This is the first flier I got from you in a long time....and I have posted your Q tournaments on my web page.... have e-mailed your fliers to my list...so what you are saying is that your list is bigger than mine....therefore we cannot help each other.
Jgray6987 [5:22 P.M.]: I thought you helped me and I helped you to help each other....after all we both would not have as many tournaments if there was no where to hold them....
Windycityopen [5:23 P.M.]: I am saying that people that we both have and you know who they are are telling me that you don't send my stuff.. But that's besides the point because I have not sent anything for anyone in months.
I have also looked on your website several times and not seen anything of mine. But, I am not saying it was not there, I am saying I did not see it anytime
Windycityopen [5:23 P.M.]: I will help you as long as it is not CLUB BC
Windycityopen [5:24 P.M.]: I will never ever promote anything that they will make money from when they owe me money and treated me and my staff terrible
Windycityopen [5:24 P.M.]: why should I?
Windycityopen [5:25 P.M.]: If you get all my emails, then you will see that I have not sent anyone elses tournaments out. Not Mike Janis who is a good friend of mine or Steddy neddy or anyone else
Jgray6987 [5:25 P.M.]: So that is the reason you 1000 added was put that weekend in march.....and yet i still let a player from q pass out fliers at one of my tournaments I held on sunday....You see these are my tournaments not theres so the person thatis getting hurt is me...
Windycityopen [5:25 P.M.]: The money and the events are UP TO THE BAR> I HAVE TOLD YOU THIS MANY TIMES BEFORE>
Windycityopen [5:26 P.M.]: I did not send that person and have no idea who it was
Windycityopen [5:26 P.M.]: until u called bob
Windycityopen [5:26 P.M.]: I have NEVER gone into your area, and passed out fliers or sent anyone
Jgray6987 [5:27 P.M.]: Actually any tournament I hold is up to me....not the bar....or I do not do them....most bar owners do not know what types of tournaments to hold or how to properly advertise them and run them.
Windycityopen [5:27 P.M.]: My dates times and added money are all up to my bar.. I have no say so if that is the date they want
Windycityopen [5:28 P.M.]: they have bands and other events so their events are limited
Jgray6987 [5:28 P.M.]: I am not saying you did send someone....but what did it hurt for me to let them pass em out....one or two people not coming is not a big deal
Windycityopen [5:28 P.M.]: I have told you this so many times and you just don't get it
Jgray6987 [5:28 P.M.]: What i do not get is that bob told me he asked you if there was a tournament conflict that weekend and YOU said no
Windycityopen [5:29 P.M.]: That was your call not mine and I did no send the person, and I still don't know who iot was
Jgray6987 [5:29 P.M.]: does it matter who it was....I LET HIM.....
Windycityopen [5:29 P.M.]: we were at Q when we scheduled it. when I spoke with you, you knew I didn't remember that date...
Windycityopen [5:30 P.M.]: Besides it's not going to hurt your event
Jgray6987 [5:30 P.M.]: your tourney....your name....etc....
Windycityopen [5:30 P.M.]: we have had schedule conflicts before and if you remember correctly, I SENT YOU PLAYER!!!
Windycityopen [5:31 P.M.]: Look, John, I am not going to argue with you. I have been in this business, this is my full time business, you have another job... I will do what my bar ask's me to. I will promote your events as long as they are not at club bc
Jgray6987 [5:32 P.M.]: PS....i do not have another job
Windycityopen [5:32 P.M.]: you picked them, you have to deal with the consequences that they did alienating us from them
Windycityopen [5:32 P.M.]: you did last time I spoke with u
Windycityopen [5:33 P.M.]: there are other bars that would work with you. I even reccomended some to you months ago, but YOU elected to stay with them
Jgray6987 [5:33 P.M.]: well.....i guess we will have sheduling conflicts for a while to come then....
Windycityopen [5:33 P.M.]: Looks that way
Windycityopen [5:34 P.M.]: and BTW, we are having another event april 1 and 2
Windycityopen [5:34 P.M.]: lots of added money
Jgray6987 [5:34 P.M.]: it seems that you will not work with me because you do not like where I hold MY TOURNAMENTS.......well...as I have said they are MY TOURNAMENTS not thers
Windycityopen [5:36 P.M.]: But you are making her money and she owes me money
Windycityopen [5:36 P.M.]: so why don't you get it?
Jgray6987 [5:36 P.M.]: Well I am going to eat some dinner....and I guess we will just end it at....not woking with each other....although that just hurts both of us
Windycityopen [5:37 P.M.]: I told you I will work with you with anything at Rudy's .I told you that from day 1. You just want me to roll over and do as you wish, and you just don't understand that they treated us terrible. I will NOT and never will promote their bar.
Windycityopen [5:38 P.M.]: I can't understand why you don't understand that!! If it was you and I was at a place that owed you money for doing an event you would be PISSED
Windycityopen [5:38 P.M.]: so stop this and tey and understand
Windycityopen [5:38 P.M.]: try
Jgray6987 [5:39 P.M.]: K
Jgray6987 [5:40 P.M.]: But then again I do it for you not for where you are.
Bye
Jgray6987 signed off at 5:40 P.M.
Again John, good luck with your events. You have managed to completely discredit yourself on this forum, looks like you are in the red to me. Thank's to all that have writen and called me regarding this, you all are great and I appreciate your support!
