8 ball as TV game

Egg McDogit

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I was watching some 8 ball on video....and was surprised to find I enjoyed it more than watching 9. It was less predictable and there were some impressive hard outs. That made me wonder what happened to 8 ball as a tv game (did they even have it? or was it always straights and 9?) ...and if others would rather watch 8/9 ball on tv. You'd think that the casual pool playing public would prefer 8...
 
Egg McDogit said:
I was watching some 8 ball on video....and was surprised to find I enjoyed it more than watching 9. It was less predictable and there were some impressive hard outs. That made me wonder what happened to 8 ball as a tv game (did they even have it? or was it always straights and 9?) ...and if others would rather watch 8/9 ball on tv. You'd think that the casual pool playing public would prefer 8...

I've mentioned this on several threads. 8 Ball is much more interesting to watch. Would make for better commentary also.
 
Theres been two fairly good discussions on this recently. If you missed them check them out here:

How to Increase Pool's Television Ratings

Holy crap... I just figured out why pool is not TV popular.

There is a ton of ideas covered in them and I think a lot of people agree that 8 ball would be better for tv because most americans know the game but at the same time I think a few were saying 8 ball might lead to more runouts by the pros. Someone else mentioned that adding more numbers and stats to the game might increase drama, and give people something to follow as well.

Check out those threads if you haven't seen em.

-Lou
 
Seems to me most people in America who play pool, play 8-ball on a 7 ft. bar table.

There is just not enough room in many bars for 9 ft tables, so I think the 7 ft. table is here to stay.

With 8-ball, there is frequently at least one easy shot on the table because there are so many balls spread around the table. So it is an easier game to play for beginners or seems to be. With 9-ball, you must shoot at a specific ball and the shots can be quite difficult or frustrating. Many beginners and casual players will say they hate 9-ball.

So I would think that a TV show with 8-ball played on bar tables (maybe even in bars with real bar players) would be a natural ratings getter.

And with both BCA-League and APA being "for profit" organizations now, I would think it would be in their interest to sponsor such a show.

Also such a show would have an excellent opportunity to have a "pool playing tips" part of the show in which the pool playing public could be educated about the game.

The first thing I would do would be to educate everyone about why having a "same weight and size" cue ball is so important. Perhaps some bar table manufacturers would sponsor the show as well. And beer sponsors would surely jump on the band wagon.

This would be a great opportunity to finally get rid of all those "oversized" cue balls, or at least educate the masses that there is something better.
 
Billy_Bob said:
This would be a great opportunity to finally get rid of all those "oversized" cue balls, or at least educate the masses that there is something better.

How would coin op bar tables cost effectively spit out the cueball if it were not a different size? (not being a smart ass but looking for potential solutions that are cost effective) IE implanting a sensor in the Cue ball and then in the table so the table "knows" which ball to kick back might not be "cost effective" Also I think expecting tolerances of a worn bar room table to be such that using a much closer in size cue ball might not work either.

I completely agree with the rest of what you had to say. With all the reality shows going on right now this one would be great. However it needs to be done tastefully to help clean up the image of pool some. IE not huge money games where money gets stolen, guns and knives get pulled, and everyone cant be smoking pot to play better. (just trying to sum up some of the recent threads :rolleyes: ) Sponsors should and would be all over it though. Great idea!

-Lou
 
Billy_Bob said:
The first thing I would do would be to educate everyone about why having a "same weight and size" cue ball is so important. Perhaps some bar table manufacturers would sponsor the show as well. And beer sponsors would surely jump on the band wagon.

This would be a great opportunity to finally get rid of all those "oversized" cue balls, or at least educate the masses that there is something better.
I think having bar tourneys on tv is overkill. Just vary the games shown on tv and INCLUDE 8 ball. That will give commentators a basis to educate people who see pool only as a drunken pastime. It would also educate 9 ballers who have absolutely no idea how interesting AND challenging *properly played* (a rarity) 8 ball can be.

As for the big cueball, I think that may be an even more important disconnect between bar pool and actual pool than the table size. It changes the game so radically, it might as well be the same as comparing ping-pong with tennis. There is no excuse for it given the technology available out there today, and bar table manufacturers need to get the grips.

Here's a shot that made me laugh all the way home. I was playing my girlfriend in one of our outings at the neighborhood bar (the only way I'll play with the oversized cueball - we worked out a funny way for me to give her a spot).

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I played this position route many a time as has everyone else on the 9 footer with a regular cueball. At this angle the cueball will go two rails through the second diamond on the long rail with tops and a little left. I could have played underneath the 6 but didn't want to roll it, so I chose to give it my full stroke and come out on top of the 6 (plus that gave me a choice of pockets). I was fully conscious that, with the equipment we were playing with, drawing the cueball out of there would be a tough proposition.

BUT, I had forgotten about the big apple! I'll be damned if that big-ass cueball didn't come off the short rail and straight into that miniature side pocket of theirs!

Don't ask me what happened there. I don't know if the table conditions and dimensions have any bearing on the behavior of the cueball in this instance, but I suspect what happened is that the big cueball stays on the tangent line for a shorter period of time, so the angles change completely.

That gives you a hint right there of how disastrous an influence bar table manufacturers and unknowing bar owners can have on our game! :D
 
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Billy_Bob said:
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The first thing I would do would be to educate everyone about why having a "same weight and size" cue ball is so important. Perhaps some bar table manufacturers would sponsor the show as well. And beer sponsors would surely jump on the band wagon.

This would be a great opportunity to finally get rid of all those "oversized" cue balls, or at least educate the masses that there is something better.

1.) Great ideas, Billy Bob. 8-Ball is the smorgasboard of pool, with a little bit o' everything on the menu. Any viewer can find something in that game that interest him/her.

2.) That cueball problem has been solved.

3.) The first thing I'd do is inform everyone on how to join a local league and then...here comes the exciting part :p ...then ASK THEM TO JOIN ONE.

Jeff Livingston
 
Loun said:
How would coin op bar tables cost effectively spit out the cueball if it were not a different size?

Magnets in the cue ball, if I remember correctly. Valley coin-ops have pretty normal shooting cue balls.

Dave
 
Loun said:
How would coin op bar tables cost effectively spit out the cueball if it were not a different size?...

Around here, *every* bar table has a cue ball which is the same size and weight as the object balls. These are Valley coin-op pool tables.

The cue ball has a magnet in it or also could have pieces of metal in it. The valley tables have a magnet in the ball return and this will deflect cue balls with magnets in them or cue balls with pieces of metal in them; to the cue ball return. Oversized balls will also be directed to the cue ball return by a metal bar which deflects the larger balls, but lets the smaller balls pass through.

Magnetic ball returns have been around for quite some time. Newer technology is the Diamond Smart Table which uses an optical sensor.

But as I travel around the country, I find some cities where *every* bar table has an oversized cue ball. The people in these areas may or may not know they have big balls.

They do not know, however, that tables are availible which use a same size and weight cue ball. If you tell them, they go "HUH?" and give you a weird look. The table they have may even work with a magnetic cue ball. All they would need to do is buy a magnetic cue ball.

Magnetic cue balls...
(See "Tournament Magnetic Belgian Aramith Cue Ball")
http://www.poolndarts.com/index.cfm...tegoryID/80.cfm?CFID=8084127&CFTOKEN=28376841

Valley coin-op pool tables....
http://www.vdlp.org

Diamond coin-op pool tables....
http://www.diamondbilliardproducts.com
 
I totaly disagree I absolutley hate 8 ball I tried to watch the world champs last year on sky and was so bored I actually fell asleep for 30 mins, on the other hand I love to watch 9 ball as there are a variety of shots to be played that require more skill, 8 ball to me is more or less sight the shot, shoot and move onto the next shot.
 
God forbid if the pros starting playing barbox 8-ball on tv. lol
I enjoy watching 8-ball but today's tv viewers whose attention span is around 2 seconds ain't gonna watch 8-ball.
I saw some 8-ball at Jay Halfert's expo-tournament in Burbank a few years back.
Watching Griffis and Archer play 8-ball was a test of one's patience. They were extremely slow to me.
 
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