8 ball or 9 ball
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I don't like to think either game has a great deal of luck in it but i'd have to go with nine ball. This only due to the fact you don't have to call your shot so it could slop in anywhere. But then you can go out of sequence in 8 and might mess up your position shot but by 'luck' roll into an even better one w/ a different ball. Hard one to call
I don't see
where it matters. The only thing one has to be concerned with is that you master both games with all of the complexities the game offers.
From a scientific viewpoint there is no luck in Pool, everything is a reaction to an action, given a table in perfect condition that is. So, when someone gets an unconscious hook on you, even though they didn't mean to, it is because of their initial action of the way and speed they hit the cue ball, and any other objects balls they may have hit. You don't have to like it, but you have to live with it if you are their opponent.
And if you automatically assume you have a perfect table when you don't, then you aren't really prepared to play, are you?
When one accepts responsibility for how they play, and quits blaming it on the other guy or the equipment, then they can progress their game.
On the other hand though, I never talk nasty to the cue ball or other balls, it's bad karma .... LOL
where it matters. The only thing one has to be concerned with is that you master both games with all of the complexities the game offers.
From a scientific viewpoint there is no luck in Pool, everything is a reaction to an action, given a table in perfect condition that is. So, when someone gets an unconscious hook on you, even though they didn't mean to, it is because of their initial action of the way and speed they hit the cue ball, and any other objects balls they may have hit. You don't have to like it, but you have to live with it if you are their opponent.
And if you automatically assume you have a perfect table when you don't, then you aren't really prepared to play, are you?
When one accepts responsibility for how they play, and quits blaming it on the other guy or the equipment, then they can progress their game.
On the other hand though, I never talk nasty to the cue ball or other balls, it's bad karma .... LOL
There is more luck in 8 ball or 9 ball??
If you play more than one game of each the law of large numbers takes over and cancels out the luck factor. One mans trash is anothers mans fortune. Efren is the only player on earth who beats these odds. Efren gets lucky all the time...
If you play more than one game of each the law of large numbers takes over and cancels out the luck factor. One mans trash is anothers mans fortune. Efren is the only player on earth who beats these odds. Efren gets lucky all the time...
okay okay I'm the one who voted for 8 ball, but if you guys saw some of the 8-ball i've seen played you'd sh#t a solid gold panda bear
More often than not, rolling out of position in eightball results in a more costly error than a helpful one. Consider that there are more balls on the table and inevitably more clusters that need to be broken apart. If you're playing position to make a ball and break a cluster apart, a quarter inch is devastating. In nineball, you pretty much just have to keep the cueball close to the center of the table and you'll almost always have a shot and enough angle to get where you need to go next.mayamon said:
When you watch bangers playing eightball, I'd agree they seem to fall into luck. If you watch anyone who specializes in eightball play the game, there's no luck but the bad variety.
bigskyjake said:okay okay I'm the one who voted for 8 ball, but if you guys saw some of the 8-ball i've seen played you'd sh#t a solid gold panda bear
LMAO.. Now that is funny!
I voted 9-ball as there are simply more opportunities to win.
Someone once told me "Luck is simply opportunity met with one's ability to capitalize."
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It depends on how you look at it... I have a much better chance beating less skilled players in 9ball than 8ball. Some scenarios in 8ball you just can't get out no matter how good you are, and some cluster break outs require luck to put the balls in the right position. If you run out to one ball left because it was just impossible to get out, you're ****ed. Most of the time it would be nearly impossible to play safe against all their balls. Even if the player is much worse than you they can still easily run out a completely open table where they can shoot any ball. Plus even if they miss, chances are you won't have a shot on your only ball. In nineball you can miss on the six, and if they aren't skilled at shot making and position, chances are they aren't going to get out. If you play a long race in 9ball, luck will make no difference in the outcome. I feel like I have to play perfect in order to win at eightball against lesser players, whereas nineball requires alot more skill to get out. Eightball does require much more strategy than nineball though. I'm going with eightball on the luckiest game because of the fact that a lesser player can get lucky and have an easy out if the better player isn't getting rolls and ends up in that impossible situation at the end of the rack.
You can't slop balls in in 8-ball, but I've come up against a lot of guys who manage to accidentally hide you when they miss with only two or three balls on the table. This kind of luck is much more devastating than someone just slopping in a ball or two.
Maybe it's no accident. I know when I'm playing a low percentage shot, I'll actually walk over and figure out where to hide the cueball if I miss. Looks like an innocent fluke, but it's no accident. I drive my opponents crazy with this, and when I play the ghost, I drive myself crazy.acedotcom said:
The hard part is doing it in a way where if you somehow make that tough shot, you still have another shot.Klopek said:Maybe it's no accident. I know when I'm playing a low percentage shot, I'll actually walk over and figure out where to hide the cueball if I miss. Looks like an innocent fluke, but it's no accident. I drive my opponents crazy with this, and when I play the ghost, I drive myself crazy.
I call that wisdom or experience.
ez
Eight-ball involves more luck.
I'm not talking about pissing balls in the pocket and not having to call shots, but rather the way the balls break and the way they're laying when you step to the table (regardless if you break or not).
In nine ball the players have the same layout to navigate, but in eight ball, your opponent may have 6 or 7 balls open and you may have two 3-ball clusters.
I'm not talking about pissing balls in the pocket and not having to call shots, but rather the way the balls break and the way they're laying when you step to the table (regardless if you break or not).
In nine ball the players have the same layout to navigate, but in eight ball, your opponent may have 6 or 7 balls open and you may have two 3-ball clusters.
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In 8, the table will more often become more difficult to run out the further along you go, while in 9-ball it often becomes easier. They both have a different strategy, with 8-ball involving more break-outs and 9-ball needing better position play.
I prefer 8-ball because I learned the strategy first. For some frustrating reason, being more comfortable in 8-ball makes me choke a little bit more often in 9-ball.
But in 8-ball you still have to get all 8 down. Not to mention, knocking down a few on the break has a bigger advantage in 9. 9 gets my luck vote.
In 8, the table will more often become more difficult to run out the further along you go, while in 9-ball it often becomes easier. They both have a different strategy, with 8-ball involving more break-outs and 9-ball needing better position play.
I prefer 8-ball because I learned the strategy first. For some frustrating reason, being more comfortable in 8-ball makes me choke a little bit more often in 9-ball.
But in 8-ball you still have to get all 8 down. Not to mention, knocking down a few on the break has a bigger advantage in 9. 9 gets my luck vote.
Not to say this has any influence on which game has more luck involved, or which is more difficult, etc. But i remember watching the tournament in reno on tv and they compared the percentage of run outs in 8 and 9 ball. This is all from memory so don't shoot me but i thought it was something like 80% chance of running out in 9 vs 28% in 8 ball for the pro players? Anyone remember this, i tried looking online but couldn't find the stats to compare them 
I found that very interesting though
I found that very interesting thoughmayamon said:Not to say this has any influence on which game has more luck involved, or which is more difficult, etc. But i remember watching the tournament in reno on tv and they compared the percentage of run outs in 8 and 9 ball. This is all from memory so don't shoot me but i thought it was something like 80% chance of running out in 9 vs 28% in 8 ball for the pro players? Anyone remember this, i tried looking online but couldn't find the stats to compare them
All the pros play great shape and have great shotmaking abilities, so they should run out most of the time in 9ball (with little or no luck). That 22% in 8ball just goes to show you how much the runout relies on the luck of the layout.
Yeah exactly. i remember expecting the 8 ball % to be much lower, but not by that margin (again i may be wrong, memory isn't the greatest). I know i've had plenty of racks of 8 ball where after the break i want to shoot myself. But then again i've had some 9 ball breaks that've left me w/ nothing too
mayamon said:Not to say this has any influence on which game has more luck involved, or which is more difficult, etc. But i remember watching the tournament in reno on tv and they compared the percentage of run outs in 8 and 9 ball. This is all from memory so don't shoot me but i thought it was something like 80% chance of running out in 9 vs 28% in 8 ball for the pro players? Anyone remember this, i tried looking online but couldn't find the stats to compare them
Among pro players the run-out percentages from the break are much higher in 8-ball than in 9-ball.
Overall I like 9-ball better.
Couple of my own thoughts:8-ball on a big table is a very simple game,yet 8-ball on a barbox is very complex,difficult.9-ball on a big table is difficult,yet 9-ball on a barbox is simple!
My thoughts only refer to runout players by the way.Amateurs and lower level players will have a much easier time with 8-ball all around,but will get beat in the long run by better players at both games.
Couple of my own thoughts:8-ball on a big table is a very simple game,yet 8-ball on a barbox is very complex,difficult.9-ball on a big table is difficult,yet 9-ball on a barbox is simple!
My thoughts only refer to runout players by the way.Amateurs and lower level players will have a much easier time with 8-ball all around,but will get beat in the long run by better players at both games.