8-Ball Runout: Challenge 3

[Colin Colenso]

Ok guys, you've got the gist of this. A lot of good ideas put forward for consideration.

So here's one that's a little more difficult and not so clear which balls are the best to take.

Score is 16-16, race to 17 for 100k, Efren has broken and came up dry. What are you gonna do? (Besides take a toilet break!)

btw: Using DDD Pool to get the diagram now.

 

[Hal]

I'm gonna shoot like a wild man, lose the match, take my 2nd place check and go to the house!

 

[Colin Colenso]

I'm gonna shoot like a wild man, lose the match, take my 2nd place check and go to the house!

Well it's winner take all, and Efren won't go a saver, even though he's wearing 2 eyepatches from his recent surgery.

He can't see but he's getting alignment instruction from Hal Houle through a hidden earpiece

 

[Masayoshi]

11 lower side, 15 upper side, 9 lower right corner, 12 upper side, 10 upper left corner, 14 lower left corner, 13 upper left corner, 8 lower side. easy shape if you have a little bit of touch and you dont scratch in the side or get the wrong angle going from the 14 to the 13

 

[jsp]

11 ball in the bottom side with draw, keeping an angle for the 14 ball to the top left corner. Pocket the 14 ball with a little draw and left english to go two rails and get straight in for the 10 in the top side. Pocket the 10 and draw back a bit for the 15 ball in the bottom side. Once the 15 ball is out of the way, you have a clear path for the 8 in the same pocket. Proceed and pocket the 12 and 9, trying to leave the cue ball where it originally was placed at the beginning of the rack for a shot on the 13 to the top left corner. Little top and left english to pocket the 13 and leave position for the 8 in the bottom side.

Then, I would promptly miss the 8, Efren would run out, and I would go home as the biggest choker in pool history. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to choke in my dreams Colin!

 

[Colin Colenso]

11 lower side, 15 upper side, 9 lower right corner, 12 upper side, 10 upper left corner, 14 lower left corner, 13 upper left corner, 8 lower side. easy shape if you have a little bit of touch and you dont scratch in the side or get the wrong angle going from the 14 to the 13

Nice idea, but as I see it (and let's assume to make it more difficult) the 10 won't go in the upper left corner.

Not to mention going from the 10 to the 14 would be a bit risky.

 

[Masayoshi]

Nice idea, but as I see it (and let's assume to make it more difficult) the 10 won't go in the upper left corner.

Not to mention going from the 10 to the 14 would be a bit risky.

ahh, didnt really look close enough.

then how about follow on the 12 for the 10 in the bottom side and draw one rail to the 14? even if you get hooked by the 5 in the draw shot you have the 15 down the rail as a back up ball

 

[ALLENJK]

Ok guys, you've got the gist of this. A lot of good ideas put forward for consideration.

So here's one that's a little more difficult and not so clear which balls are the best to take.

Score is 16-16, race to 17 for 100k, Efren has broken and came up dry. What are you gonna do? (Besides take a toilet break!)

btw: Using DDD Pool to get the diagram now.

13 ball - break out the 8 gently - this leaves alot of options to get out with stripes.

 

[Colin Colenso]

11 ball in the bottom side with draw, keeping an angle for the 14 ball to the top left corner. Pocket the 14 ball with a little draw and left english to go two rails and get straight in for the 10 in the top side. Pocket the 10 and draw back a bit for the 15 ball in the bottom side. Once the 15 ball is out of the way, you have a clear path for the 8 in the same pocket. Proceed and pocket the 12 and 9, trying to leave the cue ball where it originally was placed at the beginning of the rack for a shot on the 13 to the top left corner. Little top and left english to pocket the 13 and leave position for the 8 in the bottom side.

Then, I would promptly miss the 8, Efren would run out, and I would go home as the biggest choker in pool history. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to choke in my dreams Colin!

haha

I like the idea of getting rid of the 14 early, but that looks like a tricky little drag shot to get a good angle. Worth considering though if it feels right when over the table.

To me though, it requires more moving around of the CB than is necessary. Here's an idea...

 

[Colin Colenso]

13 ball - break out the 8 gently - this leaves alot of options to get out with stripes.

That's ok if you get a perfect kiss, but kiss it low and you could be dry behind the 6.

The 13 is already it a good position to get on the 8 which is an easy make in the bottom center.

Still, if you are very confident of making the kiss on the right side of the ball you'll end up in a pretty nice position.

 

[Shorty]

My way of running out...

7 in bottom left corner, top right and bring cue back to where you are now almost, around 5
5 in top left corner, use 14 to stop or slow the cue.
2 in lower right corner...follow down for the 1
1 in upper right corner
3 in bottom right corner...pull shape for 4 down in the rail
4 in bottom left corner, follow cue down
6 in upper left corner, draw back for 8 in same pocket

Shorty

 

[Colin Colenso]

My way of running out...

7 in bottom left corner, top right and bring cue back to where you are now almost, around 5
5 in top left corner, use 14 to stop or slow the cue.
2 in lower right corner...follow down for the 1
1 in upper right corner
3 in bottom right corner...pull shape for 4 down in the rail
4 in bottom left corner, follow cue down
6 in upper left corner, draw back for 8 in same pocket

Shorty

The 4 to the 6 will be very tough. I don't like leaving my hardest shape till last.

If I had to go smalls, I'd play the 7 first with inside english either to kiss the 6-8 combo or to go under the 6 and get on it / rid of it.

 

[jsp]

haha

I like the idea of getting rid of the 14 early, but that looks like a tricky little drag shot to get a good angle. Worth considering though if it feels right when over the table.

To me though, it requires more moving around of the CB than is necessary. Here's an idea...

Colin, I like your solution. The patterns for the first couple of balls are very natural. However, you need pretty precise positioning going from the 15 to the 14 to the 13. If you fall out of line by a bit on any of these balls, your run would be in serious jeopardy. But then again, you're one of the 150 on the IPT list, and I'm just a dreamer. Keep the challenges coming, they're fun.

 

[Colin Colenso]

ahh, didnt really look close enough.

then how about follow on the 12 for the 10 in the bottom side and draw one rail to the 14? even if you get hooked by the 5 in the draw shot you have the 15 down the rail as a back up ball

Sorry Masa, I can't follow your meaning here. 10 in the bottom side??? Follow on the 12...u mean for the first shot?

 

[theoneandonly]

nice

I just want to say I am a big fan of these threads. I love learning new ideas and stratergies of getting out.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Colin, I like your solution. The patterns for the first couple of balls are very natural. However, you need pretty precise positioning going from the 15 to the 14 to the 13. If you fall out of line by a bit on any of these balls, your run would be in serious jeopardy. But then again, you're one of the 150 on the IPT list, and I'm just a dreamer. Keep the challenges coming, they're fun.

jsp,
You're right these last three angles are the most crucial, but I think they are manageable at a pretty high percentage if you play it with these thoughts in mind.

First, for the 15 to the 14, it could also be played straight. But if the previous ball gets a little too much angle you can stun toward the 13 ball and play the 15 ball in the bottom corner for a natural angle to the same position. I like this second option so I don't have to be spot on, just get to the right (low) side of the ball previous to the 15.

Second, I think there is a good 10 inch margin for the 14 ball. If I finish high (say 6 inches higher than in the diagram), I can play it soft with a lot of inside english. At this angle it will take well and I'll get shape on the 13. Also, if too high for this, I can play draw left of two rails up toward to top of the headstring as there will be a big gap on this line. I can even get a couple of inches below the 14 and play straight to position. So there may be more range than the diagram suggests...but it's still the crucial shot to the out I think.

 

[sixpack]

haha

I like the idea of getting rid of the 14 early, but that looks like a tricky little drag shot to get a good angle. Worth considering though if it feels right when over the table.

To me though, it requires more moving around of the CB than is necessary. Here's an idea...

This is similar to how I saw it, but I would play shape with top off the 11 to get the 14 in the bottom left, then move back to the 15 or 10 and run out like you suggested except play the 13 in the top left and play 8 in side.

Cheers,
Regas

 

[Masayoshi]

Sorry Masa, I can't follow your meaning here. 10 in the bottom side??? Follow on the 12...u mean for the first shot?

i meant doing everything the same as i had previously except that

 

[Solartje]

could u use another program to post the balls?

this posts are greath for newcomers and better players, but i dont know all the colors of the balls yet by head. and on 90% of the balls i cant see wich is the 15 or 11 or 14 or whatever. takes me 10 hours to understand a short solution post of 3 lines....

hope im not asking to much, but these posts are REALLY fun to do and read and learn, but easyer if we could see on each ball what number they have.

 

[Colin Colenso]

could u use another program to post the balls?

this posts are greath for newcomers and better players, but i dont know all the colors of the balls yet by head. and on 90% of the balls i cant see wich is the 15 or 11 or 14 or whatever. takes me 10 hours to understand a short solution post of 3 lines....

hope im not asking to much, but these posts are REALLY fun to do and read and learn, but easyer if we could see on each ball what number they have.

Sure, I may have to add the numbers manually though next time. Or use the wei table, ugly as it is