8-ball runout problem

mjantti

mjantti

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Yesterday was playing in a big 8-ball event and had a following layout. I was at the hill leading 5-4 and I figured to have my last chance at the table, my opponent would surely run out if I missed and probably would break & run the final rack being one of the toughest 8-ballers here in Finland. So, any ideas how'd you approach the table here ? I'm on solids here.

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And yes, I did get out from here. :)

EDIT: here's the WEI code also
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%O^3I7%PV1V9
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good shooting getting out from that layout bro, the fourball and five would of gave me trouble so i don't know what i would do i 'll just wait to see how you ran it out.
 
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Tough table, but let me try:

1: Playing the 5 into the long rail, caroming of the 9 into the corner pocket. Looks very makeable, since the 9 is so close to the pocket

2: Going for the long 2 ( the last shot was a stun shot, leaving the white where the 5 was ), cue ball goes two cushions between 8 and 1, ending up in the middle of the table between the two center pockets.

3: Bank the 4 softly to the center pocket where 1 is, just nudging the stripes with the cue ball.

4: Roll the 1 into the center pocket, playing the 8 in the corner where you made the 2 ball (or the other corner, depending on the angle on the 1)

Sounds like a piece of cake, doesn't it?:D

The advantage of this approach, is that you don't have to move object balls around and you follow a natural path, you don't have to force the white to go anywhere.

But you have to know the speed of the table. Position from the 2 for the bank shot on 4 is certainly the cruical shot here. To short - disaster. Too long - very difficult bank.
 
Bank the 4 first.. you have good position now and set up for the 2

Hit the 2 with right or lower right to come behind the 1

Dependind on how good the set up was on the 1, you can either set up for banking 5 into the upper right corner pocket (according to image) or bring the cue ball to the rail to play into the same pocket or you can sneak it past the 8 and hit the upper left hand pocket if the cue ends up on the other side of the 5..... either way you'll have position on the 8 with no problem.

0h yeah.. the 1 would go into the side pocket.. sorry left that part out

my .02

-Whoa
 
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whoaaaa said:
Bank the 4 first.. you have good position now and set up for the 2

Hit the 2 with right or lower right to come behind the 1

Dependind on how good the set up was on the 1, you can either set up for banking 5 into the upper right corner pocket (according to image) or bring the cue ball to the rail to play into the same pocket or you can sneak it past the 8 and hit the upper left hand pocket if the cue ends up on the other side of the 5..... either way you'll have position on the 8 with no problem.

0h yeah.. the 1 would go into the side pocket.. sorry left that part out

my .02

-Whoa
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The 4-ball cannot be banked from here. It's an inevitable doublekiss.

Still a few more answers taken, then I'll reveal my out... ;)
 
taken a shot but play the oneball then then twoball, cut the fourball down the rail clipping the nineball opening up the pocket for the fiveball then you have the eightball there i said it lol,
 
Good solution. I thought of playing the 2 first, then the 1 into the upper right-hand corner, then the bank 4, then the bypass-shot 5. Your solution is better, I think--if you play the bypass shot first and miss it, your opponent still has a little work to do. Norway! I like Norway--visited Oslo, Bergen, and Haugesund in the early 90's.

AS
 
mjantti said:
The 4-ball cannot be banked from here. It's an inevitable doublekiss.

Still a few more answers taken, then I'll reveal my out... ;)
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The 4 ball looks bankable... you have half of a diamond and the 4 ball looks to be an inch off of the rail... i'll go try it at lunch time just to be sure... i wasn't there so I dont know for sure...
 
pooladdict said:
Tough table, but let me try:

1: Playing the 5 into the long rail, caroming of the 9 into the corner pocket. Looks very makeable, since the 9 is so close to the pocket

2: Going for the long 2 ( the last shot was a stun shot, leaving the white where the 5 was ), cue ball goes two cushions between 8 and 1, ending up in the middle of the table between the two center pockets.

3: Bank the 4 softly to the center pocket where 1 is, just nudging the stripes with the cue ball.

4: Roll the 1 into the center pocket, playing the 8 in the corner where you made the 2 ball (or the other corner, depending on the angle on the 1)

Sounds like a piece of cake, doesn't it?:D

The advantage of this approach, is that you don't have to move object balls around and you follow a natural path, you don't have to force the white to go anywhere.

But you have to know the speed of the table. Position from the 2 for the bank shot on 4 is certainly the cruical shot here. To short - disaster. Too long - very difficult bank.
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sounds like a piece of cake bro, love your avatar just had to quote you to tell you.

BTW, Mnjatti why did you just go for a good safe here, i would of as i said that fourball and fiveball would of gave me trouble, you must of been shooting on top of your game and had that confidence huh, man i can't sleep until you tell me how you did the run out bro lol......
 
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mjantti said:
So, any ideas how'd you approach the table here ? I'm on solids here.

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And yes, I did get out from here. :)
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If the 4-ball doesn't bank in this position, it certainly will from another position. Considering you're going for the whole runout, I think I'd play to get above the 4-ball (somewhere more left than where it is), and cross-over bank the 4-ball cross-sideide... and hope.

Fred
 
Seems like the 11 is in the way to play a decent cut on the 4 down the rail. Therefore, I would play the 1 first and go two rails into the 4. The 2 will be left for an insurance ball.

As for the 5, i'd either make the 5 kick off the rail and carom in the lower-left corner off the 9, or i'd bank it into the upper right corner.

I'm very curious what approach you took.

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mjantti said:
The 4-ball cannot be banked from here. It's an inevitable doublekiss.

Still a few more answers taken, then I'll reveal my out... ;)
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If you know how to bank it can............
 
My out

Doesn't look that hard to me:

1) Shoot the 2 with 2 o'clock english, spinning slightly to come up between the 8 and 1. If you go a little too far, it is not a big problem.
2) Bank the 4 back into the cross side. The stripes there can be used to stop the cue if you have to back cut a little.
3) Depending on cue ball position, you can either cut the 1 into the side,
then 'slide' the 5 past the nine. There is plenty of room for the 5 to slide.
I would prefer the 1 first, and then the 5 in to the corner, and just hold the cue for the 8 in the corner, but you could make the 5 first, and get position on the one for the downtable corner, and then the 8 in the corner.

Whether I would play the 1 after the 4, or the 5 would depend on the angle existing to cut the 1 in the side.
 
I'd simply play safe and let him try to get out.

I'd move the 2 in front of the pocket to own it. I'd try to get the CB on the rail to leave him tough. The percentage for your opponent getting out from there is VERY low.

My next move would be getting the 4 out of there in another safety. Of course, this depends on how the table was left for me...


Getting out from your position looks tough. Some of the pressure was taken off by his layout but still, not playing safe here takes some balls ;)
 
RoadAgent said:
If you know how to bank it can............
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Ok, I know a few ways to bank it, but tell me a bank you'd use in a tournament situation, you at the hill and the other multi-rack-running guy needing 2 racks ? :)
 
Scott was right, also Captain was there.

1st shot, hoped to get a better angle for the 4-ball thus maintaining position for the 1-ball. Going for 5-ball off the rail and 9-ball I didn't like at all because of the angle and I wouldn't have had any good position if I had rolled the 5-ball in:

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2nd shot, had to take the 1-ball out, I didn't like shooting the 5-ball as described above with too much pace. Played position for the bank and the 11-ball was perfect to hold the cueball.

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3rd shot. Banked the 4-ball and used the 11-ball to keep the CB in the middle of the table. Measured the previous shot for some time to get a perfect bank angle for the 4-ball, played perfect position for it.

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4th shot. As you guessed, I used the 9-ball to make the 5-ball. I didn't like shooting it with pace, so I played a soft draw shot and knew already that I was facing a long match ball shooting near the long cushion but I decided to take a sure shot at the match ball instead of making a mess of this shot by shooting it too hard.

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5th shot. Without too much hesitation, I split the wicket with the long 8-ball. :D

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That's it. Not too difficult but not too easy either. Hope I gave a few new ideas to some players. I didn't see this pattern right away, I was tempted to play position for cutting the 4-ball in along the rail, but the 9-ball was blocking a part of the pocket also from that direction so I decided to play position for the bank instead. This was one of those situations in which some brainlabour paid off before shooting a hanger in without any thought on what to do next.
 
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mjantti said:
Scott was right, also Captain was there.

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I disagree - I was right. My out was MUCH easier.. And BTW, I never miss in these situations - on a computer.;)
 
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