8 Ball Situation (2): What Would You Do Here?

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You have just pocked a solid ball on the break. In the current rule the table is open and you can choose either solids or stripes to continue.

1, Which would you choose?
2, What are the potential problems and how do you solve them?
3, Is it a good idea to go for a run-out here?

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We will post a video of someone playing this layout in a few days. Let's see if you have any good idea solving the puzzle :)

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Here's what I'd try:

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The problems, at least for me, would be getting good position on the 9 to get onto the 15, then not hitting the 15 too hard - I think that's a tough shot to control your speed on.
 
cuetable said:
You have just pocked a solid ball on the break. In the current rule the table is open and you can choose either solids or stripes to continue.

1, Which would you choose?
2, What are the potential problems and how do you solve them?
3, Is it a good idea to go for a run-out here?

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We will post a video of someone playing this layout in a few days. Let's see if you have any good idea solving the puzzle :)

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1. I'll choose stripes.
2. not much problem really. just the kick on the 9 after pocketing the 10. to prepare for position on the 15 (longshot uptable).
3. yes
 
Neil said:
Shoot the 10 in the corner and draw back about a foot. Shoot the 9 in the same corner bringing the cb over by the 3-6 for the 15 next.
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Yeah, I like trying to deal with that 15 ASAP also. I would probably either start like you did, or perhaps shoot the 10 and glance off of the 9 softly, leaving a shot on either the 9 or 15 with the 11-ball as insurance. Nice out.

Aaron
 
md5key said:
Here's what I'd try:



The problems, at least for me, would be getting good position on the 9 to get onto the 15, then not hitting the 15 too hard - I think that's a tough shot to control your speed on.
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I like most of your solution but the 15 you shot could be trouble if off just a little, so that's why I'd save the 13 for an insurance/keyball.

Jeff Livingston
 
Neil said:
Shoot the 10 in the corner and draw back about a foot. Shoot the 9 in the same corner bringing the cb over by the 3-6 for the 15 next. Shoot the 15 in the corner and bring the cb to center table. Then shoot the 12 in the corner and stop. Then the 14 in the side drifting the cb into the 4. Shoot the 13 in the side with a couple inces of draw. Then shoot the 11 in the corner with a stop shot. Shoot the 8 in the corner. Game over.
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Why not just stun the 10? the angle will cause the cueball to drift of to the right leaving a straight-in on the nine for the bottom left corner with shape on that 15.
 
jongreve said:
Why not just stun the 10? the angle will cause the cueball to drift of to the right leaving a straight-in on the nine for the bottom left corner with shape on that 15.
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Actually, I think the angle off the 10 will take the cueball the opposite direction, into the 9. It's hard to see it on the diagram unless you actually go into edit mode and draw the lines. If the angle were the other way, I would definitely agree with your shot, though.

Good rolls,

Aaron
 
depends on skill level

For a B player, I would try the run out, not much trouble other than a nagging 15 and a post-shot kick on the 9 from the tight 10. Working it backwards, I would keep the 13 as insurance for me and a small block against the opponent. I'd leave the 15 until second to last as it is tight position to get after the 10/9 and it is also a block.
 
jongreve said:
Why not just stun the 10? the angle will cause the cueball to drift of to the right leaving a straight-in on the nine for the bottom left corner with shape on that 15.
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I think you are shooting the 10 with the 5 rather than the CB. I believe you are shooting it with the wrong ball. :D

the CB is aligned in a way that it would nudge the 9 after hitting the 10.
 
I like your out Neil, but I like easier shots so I would start with cinching stripes with the 12, 14, 13 and then an angle on the 11 toward the bottom rail by the 2 to get that 15 ball problem solved. If I get a perfect angle on it I can play it iin the top left, if not it's a thin cut (i would play for this option-just miss the 2 and a little bounce) in bottom left and if all goes bad I can snug whitey on the 3,6 for a duck. Should be able to get a cut on the 15 though for a 2 rail natural to center table and the end game of 9,10 or 10, 9 and 8 for the win.

Watcha think?

td
 
Hail Mary Shot said:
I think you are shooting the 10 with the 5 rather than the CB. I believe you are shooting it with the wrong ball. :D

the CB is aligned in a way that it would nudge the 9 after hitting the 10.
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You guys are right, I spoke before I thought

*sulks*
 
grindz said:
I like your out Neil, but I like easier shots so I would start with cinching stripes with the 12, 14, 13 and then an angle on the 11 toward the bottom rail by the 2 to get that 15 ball problem solved. If I get a perfect angle on it I can play it iin the top left, if not it's a thin cut (i would play for this option-just miss the 2 and a little bounce) in bottom left and if all goes bad I can snug whitey on the 3,6 for a duck. Should be able to get a cut on the 15 though for a 2 rail natural to center table and the end game of 9,10 or 10, 9 and 8 for the win.

Watcha think?

td
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It's doable, but wouldn't be my first choice. Instead of trying to get to the 15 from the 11, it would be easier to go 11, 9, then 15. Too much distance from 11 to 15 for the accuracy of position needed on the 15.

If you are out of line on the 15 to the bottom of the diagram, (too close to the rail), you will have trouble getting out of there.
 
It looks to me like there would be a huge problem with the 4 ball if you decide on the solids. The 3 and 6 have a little problem but looks very do-able because of where the 2 ball is. The 4 ball does not appear to have access to either top corner pocket and it is alone without any balls nearby for help.

In selecting the stripes I would start with the 12 ball and use the 14 ball to build the correct angle for the 9 ball so that the cue ball will naturally move toward the 3 and 6 ball, giving me the 15 ball. Once I'm on the 14 ball I can then opt to use the 11 ball to build the angle on the 9 ball. Having the option on the 14 and 11 balls to get to the 9 ball is very appealing. I would leave the 13 ball to use as an escape valve from the 15 ball. It seems to me that once the 15 ball is pocketed the rest would be fairly routine.
 
To run the solids- Shoot the 7 in the corner, coming don and over to the side rail for the 2. From the 2, shoot the 3 in the upper left corner. Draw back a little for the 6 in the same corner. You want the cb to about in line with the 2nd diamond when getting shape for the 6. Shoot the 6 in the upper left corner also, and follow towards the upper side pocket. You want to land straight in on the 4 to the bottom right corner. ( much easier said than done LOL) Shoot the 4 in the corner and follow it a little so that you have an angle on the 5 in the side. Shoot the 5 in the side with a little draw to give you your straight in (again, LOL) shot on the 8. Game over.
 
Neil said:
It's doable, but wouldn't be my first choice. Instead of trying to get to the 15 from the 11, it would be easier to go 11, 9, then 15. Too much distance from 11 to 15 for the accuracy of position needed on the 15.

If you are out of line on the 15 to the bottom of the diagram, (too close to the rail), you will have trouble getting out of there.
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That was my option # 2 :smile: but to get within 8 inches of the rail so I can cut the 15 gives me over a foot of positional space. If I can't get within 16 inches on a 4 foot move.....I better get my handicap lowered.....then again....I wouldn't mind it lowered anyway. :eek:

td
 
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