9 Ball and scratch

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First situation: The 9 ball is the only ball left. After striking it, the cueball scratches. Does this result in loss of game? Or does your opponent get cue ball in hand?

Second situation: The 9 ball is the only ball left. After striking it, it is pocketed first and then the cue ball scratches. Loss of game? Or, spot the 9 ball and opponent gets cue ball in hand?

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JohnnyC said:
First situation: The 9 ball is the only ball left. After striking it, the cueball scratches. Does this result in loss of game? Or does your opponent get cue ball in hand?

Second situation: The 9 ball is the only ball left. After striking it, it is pocketed first and then the cue ball scratches. Loss of game? Or, spot the 9 ball and opponent gets cue ball in hand?

Thanks.
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As I understand it, both of these situations result in ball in hand.
 
Yap, ball in hand. How can you miss the shot putting the 9 on the spot and cue ball anywhere? They don't bother and go on to the next game.
 
in non-tournament play it is loss of game. in tournament or money play, 9-ball gets spotted, and opponent gets ball in hand, and original player who fouled hopes the person shooting miscues.
 
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Hi Johnny,

On virtually all national tours, you MUST shoot the nine ball. The concession of the nine ball results in a one game penalty. Even in both of your scenarios. The reasoning is, it prevents players from a show of poor sportsmanship before our "fans". Our beloved game has too much of that already. When playing privately, its up to you and your opponent. I found that after playing on the Joss for the last three years, I always make my opponent shoot. You never know!
 
cardiac kid said:
Hi Johnny,

On virtually all national tours, you MUST shoot the nine ball. The concession of the nine ball results in a one game penalty. Even in both of your scenarios. The reasoning is, it prevents players from a show of poor sportsmanship before our "fans". Our beloved game has too much of that already. When playing privately, its up to you and your opponent. I found that after playing on the Joss for the last three years, I always make my opponent shoot. You never know!
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At the DCC I believe the players were told that conceding the nine ball would be a 1 game penalty for the player conceding; but I saw multiple instances where the losing player just wiped the nine ball into the rack area (conceding the game without his opponent shooting); and no one said a thing about the supposed penalty.
 
Willie,

I agree. I saw Earl sweep the balls in from the seven more than once. It is hard for some people to call it on a "friend". I warn my opponent once. If they concede a second time, I take the extra point. Would you allow your opponent to make a bad hit and not call a foul? I don't and won't.
 
in local tournies they just don't bother.....heck i don't bother....i'll just give that rack to the opponent friend or not. It's just pretty hard to miss with ball in hand and i'll just give them the benefit of the doubt. TO me anyways that's just good sportsmanship...but yeah that just goes for local tournies but national is a different story.
 
Conceding can be used as a form of sharking. Conceding at the last moment after the shooter is already down; conceding when multiple balls are on the table, just to keep your opponent cold and in their seat; conceding the easy shots and not conceding some, just to mess with a guy's head. Etc. I rarely concede a game, simply because I think it's bad manners.

If the tournament rules called for a penalty for conceding, I'd probably ask for it to be enforced from the 2nd round onwards. That seems fair.
 
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