9-ball break advanced question.

[~jj~]

I cannot remember from what instructional video this came from, or from what book, but I do recall someone reputable saying the harder you hit the rack, the lower the one ball goes on the side rail.

Also when watching Shane break, you notice that the cue ball gets airborn on every hard break. Perhaps he is intentionally doing this to get out of the way of the one ball heading back down table.

Which brings up another point, the more towards the center of the table you break from, the more the one ball tends to come back towards you and less to the side. This is why SVB breaks close to center and gets the one ball close to the corner pockets rather than flying into the side rail.

Hope this helps.

 

[Solartje]

after 2 more days I this is what my findings are so far.

at 50% speed, 1 tip of low, bringing the cb back to where it started and having the 1ball hit almost one diamond under the middle pocket and rest in the middle of the table is giving me the best results, B&R wice... (like the varner break)

at 80% speed im not able to obtain the one ball to hit far under the middle pocket just by using draw. Im already 1" from the siderail with the CB, so i cant increase the distance from the middle.
. It feels like im not drawing much enough for the one ball to go under. the harder you hit, the higher the one ball is going. usually in the middle with 1tip of draw and the tit of the middle pocket with max draw. (wich i personally dont like very much, because of the miscuelimit.) The influence of draw seem to decrease alot. I have tried different angles. slight off full in the face, but nothing that is working (YET)

The faster the break, the more balls i pot. at 70%-75% power im averaging 3 balls on the break with 4 balls about one in 4 racks, at 80% im averaging 2 balls. (the 2d row banks in the middle arent working as well, and the last row (opposite to one ball) is banking shorter then the corner pocket.
yeah sure it looks cool (potting 4-5 balls on the break), but im never getting a good easy start on the one ball, because im hitting the one ball above the middle pocket and it finishes often flush with the short rail.


@ person who said about 1 specific table. Yes, this will only help me on my home table to find the sweet spot/speed/draw. but the knowledge of how these 3 variables change how the rack breaks, will help me on any table.


ps: i broke my 9ball B&R records took my cue out, wanted to do some warming up, chalked the cue, and cleared 5 racks (B&R) of 9ball. ( i used the break explained first in this post 5 times, and it worked like a charm)


only thing left, how to get the one ball go low at high speed, so i can increase the number of balls potted, and still get the one ball going towards the corner. (one of the idea's is hit it even harder, so the one touches the short rail in the middle and go 2 rails somewhere on the line between center of table and corner. (problem is, I don't master the break yet enough at that speed (im not a 200pd guy ) and not sure if at this speed, the other 4 bankable balls will bank into the pocket.

anyone has more idea's?

 

[Solartje]

Which brings up another point, the more towards the center of the table you break from, the more the one ball tends to come back towards you and less to the side. This is why SVB breaks close to center and gets the one ball close to the corner pockets rather than flying into the side rail.
Hope this helps.

Do you mean, that he does this on 9ball? I understand what you are saying i think. He breaks closer to the center so the one ball doesnt touches the long rail, but goes straight up to the corner pocket?

mmm interesting. What ball is he potting then? the wing ball isnt going in i think from that angle, no matter what spin you use?

gonna search from some 9ball breaks form shane, and see if i can understand his objective.


my objective: master the different variables for 3 breakspeads so i can get a easy shot on the one at each speed and have the option to chose from 3 speeds depending on the table conditions.

i know now what to do for 50% and for 70% power, and how angle/draw influences the wing and one ball (so i can use these variables on other tables), but i don't know yet for 90% speed how i can change the patch of wing and oneball to get what i want.

 

[~jj~]

He is definitely breaking like this in 10 ball. I have seen him cut break and break like this in 9 ball.

The goal with breaking like this is to control the 1 ball and the cue ball. Pocketing a ball is more challenging since the rack can't be manipulated like it can in 9 ball.

From Joe Tucker's racking secrets, a space anywhere in the rack (very likely if not using magic rack or tapped table) will change the outcome of the break and where the wing balls go.

While I fully understand your objectives, I guess in rethinking my original post a lot of the advice applies to controlling the 1 ball moreso than making a specific ball.

I wouldn't necessarily advise breaking head on or close to it with a tight rack, but i would use the principles of hitting harder and moving closer to center affecting the 1 ball's path back towards you more and less towards the side rail.

best of luck and keep us posted.

 

[Solartje]

He is definitely breaking like this in 10 ball. I have seen him cut break and break like this in 9 ball.

The goal with breaking like this is to control the 1 ball and the cue ball. Pocketing a ball is more challenging since the rack can't be manipulated like it can in 9 ball.

From Joe Tucker's racking secrets, a space anywhere in the rack (very likely if not using magic rack or tapped table) will change the outcome of the break and where the wing balls go.

While I fully understand your objectives, I guess in rethinking my original post a lot of the advice applies to controlling the 1 ball moreso than making a specific ball.

I wouldn't necessarily advise breaking head on or close to it with a tight rack, but i would use the principles of hitting harder and moving closer to center affecting the 1 ball's path back towards you more and less towards the side rail.

best of luck and keep us posted.

living in europe most of the top rooms have tapped table, so it will help me more, then most usa barr players , thats for sure.

ill find some time this weekend to analyse shanes 9ball break. i just need to check wich ball can be potted on the break, when using this break. so if i understand it correctly, he's not concentrating on potting one ball, just let the power do the job and hope one will go in?

ive tried more 80-90% power breaks, but the one ball is almost not controlable anymore, it hits the long rail almost always on the same spot.


Even , if i dont have yet all the things i wanted to know, im already much more wiser on many things. thanks for helping me out guys.

:thumbup: for azb.