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If the 9-ball ends up very close to a pocket after a break and nothing is down, what happens if the incoming player shoots directly at the 9 and pockets it ONLY to get it spotted and away from the pocket?
Obviously the incoming player doesn't mind losing his turn since it's early in the game.
Is there anything other than just a foul and a ball in hand for the next player?
Had this happen to me last night and we just kept on playing with the 9 on the spot and ball in hand for me.

Thanks
 
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Nearly everyone plays Pushout after the break. Meaning if the breaker makes a ball or not the incoming player after the break can call "push" to alert the opponent and shoot the cueball anywhere on table. He can shoot any ball into the hole. Pocketing the 9 or an opponents ball that is given as a handicap, would be spotted up. Your opponent has the option to take the shot or give it back.

If you cant see the one after the break, just leave a long thin hit on the one. Or leave a shot that your opponent is poor at, but is your strong suit.

The better players play better pushes. Ones t hat if you give it back will leave you dead safe or them make it and start running out. Against a weak playervit really doesnt mstter, they wont make 4 balls.
 
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If the player calls a push out there is no infraction and the incoming player gets the balls in position with the 9 on the spot, or gives it back. If he doesn't call for a push it's a simple BIH foul.
 
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9Ballr said:
If the 9-ball ends up very close to a pocket after a break and nothing is down, what happens if the incoming player shoots directly at the 9 and pockets it ONLY to get it spotted and away from the pocket?
Obviously the incoming player doesn't mind losing his turn since it's early in the game.
Is there anything other than just a foul and a ball in hand for the next player?
Had this happen to me last night and we just kept on playing with the 9 on the spot and ball in hand for me.

Thanks
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With a name like 9ballr you really should know the penalty for hitting the 9ball in early.....

With that said, when I started playing 9ball somebody pulled that move on me and I wasn't happy. After playing 8ball for years I had it in my head that if the 9ball goes in on a illegal shot it should be a loss. It is actually a very legit strategy that will save you on occasion. It doesn't even need to be after the break. At any point during the game you could be in a position where it would benefit you to knock the 9ball in early (i.e. no chance of making a legal hit while the 9ball is sitting in the jaws of the pocket).
 
No push? APA 9 Ball? I don't know that I'd consider this good strategy in APA 9 Ball, maybe, I guess it would depend on who I'm p-laying
 
TheNewSharkster said:
It is actually a very legit strategy that will save you on occasion.
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This is very basic 9ball strategy. When I find myself kicking or jumping at the ball on, the first thing I look is whether there is a combo or a carom for the money ball. If so, I'll have a serious argument with myself on whether I can hit the the ball on 100% or nor not, and if not... is there a way to make the combination/carom for the money ball disappear, with a foul shot?

Obviously, this depends on the level of the play that you and and your opponent are playing.

If you and your opponent happen to be world class players... then there is usually no use to give your opponent a ball in hand. But a few of us are.
 
Rasputin said:
This is very basic 9ball strategy. When I find myself kicking or jumping at the ball on, the first thing I look is whether there is a combo or a carom for the money ball. If so, I'll have a serious argument with myself on whether I can hit the the ball on 100% or nor not, and if not... is there a way to make the combination/carom for the money ball disappear, with a foul shot?

Obviously, this depends on the level of the play that you and and your opponent are playing.

If you and your opponent happen to be world class players... then there is usually no use to give your opponent a ball in hand. But a few of us are.
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Say you are on the 1ball and you are hooked without a path to make a legal hit *and* the 9ball is sitting in front of the pocket. The 1ball 9ball combo is a duck and you lose if you give BIH. So fouling and hitting the 9ball in early takes that away. He still may run out but he has to earn it.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
Say you are on the 1ball and you are hooked without a path to make a legal hit *and* the 9ball is sitting in front of the pocket. The 1ball 9ball combo is a duck and you lose if you give BIH. So fouling and hitting the 9ball in early takes that away. He still may run out but he has to earn it.
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Exactly so.

But sometimes you cannot even make the combo-9-ball go away with a legal hit. And by a legal hit I mean a legal stroke. Those situations truly make one to find the creative player that one is.
 
9Ballr said:
If the 9-ball ends up very close to a pocket after a break and nothing is down, what happens if the incoming player shoots directly at the 9 and pockets it ONLY to get it spotted and away from the pocket?
Obviously the incoming player doesn't mind losing his turn since it's early in the game.
Is there anything other than just a foul and a ball in hand for the next player?
Had this happen to me last night and we just kept on playing with the 9 on the spot and ball in hand for me.

Thanks
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As others have said, it's 100% push time. Call a push, make the 9, spot it, incoming player gets to pick if he shoots from where it is or give back.

The only time you'd play that shot as a ball in hand is after the first shot. Always better to make the guy run out 4-5-6 balls than leave a 95% shot on the 9. Say the guy misses but hooks you for the lowest ball, if you can see the 9 or even make a combo with the wrong ball, do it. Unless you are playing a good player, then you have a better chance with a kick and possibly a safe.
 
9Ballr said:
Thanks for telling me what I should do.
If you read my entire post you would see that we kept on playing with me having ball in hand.
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Or call a push. New to 9 ball you are. Push out is a very basic rule of 9 ball.

Funny thing, I just played a guy just hours ago that was actually not horrible ( C level ) and he also had no idea about the push rule in 9 ball. Odd how people seem to know about the game, yet not about some basic rules of it.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Or call a push. New to 9 ball you are. Push out is a very basic rule of 9 ball.

Funny thing, I just played a guy just hours ago that was actually not horrible ( C level ) and he also had no idea about the push rule in 9 ball. Odd how people seem to know about the game, yet not about some basic rules of it.
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More than I thought too. I play in an 8 Ball league and the LO recently started a 9 Ball league that some of the 8 Ball players came into. Lots of stuff they don't know and some of these folks have been playing pool for a while, just only 8 Ball. Last night my teammate mentioned to his opponent he was "on two" and the opponent looked at him cross-eyed and said "What does that mean?" He'd never encountered the three foul rule before. Also last night another opponent asked after a dry break if they needed to catch a rail when pushing out.
 
If the incoming player shot the cue ball into the nine, then all the advice given so far is accurate. Same if the player shot the cue ball into some kind of combo or carom that resulted with the 9 ball being pocketed. Spot the nine if a rollout was called; otherwise it's a foul.

If the incoming player "shoots directly at the 9" by touching the actual nine ball with his cue tip, that is a different story.

In most popular tournaments and rule sets, that would be considered a flagrant foul (or sportsmanship foul) resulting in loss of game.

The only ball the cue tip can touch is the cue ball.

-Blake
 
9Ballr said:
Thanks for telling me what I should do.
If you read my entire post you would see that we kept on playing with me having ball in hand.
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Any game you play you should be aware of what the rules are so its good you have asked. I just found it ironic a guy with the name 9ballr didn't know one of the basic rules of 9ball LMAO
 
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