Jude Rosenstock said:
I realize this is splitting hairs a little, but having watched the video of the rack in question, the ball positions were closer to this:
I don't see a double-kiss there.
-Andrew
9 Ball Situation (3) - What would you do here?
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I realize this is splitting hairs a little, but having watched the video of the rack in question, the ball positions were closer to this:
I don't see a double-kiss there.
-Andrew
Andrew Manning said:
Is this what you want to go by? I just want to make sure what it is you want to discuss.
Andrew Manning said:
Yeah, I don't care which image you use. I just want to know exactly what we're discussing. Are we discussing the diagram or the video? I mean, you initially made your claim with a diagram that showed the 2-ball frozen to the rail. This means there's going to be a double kiss. Now you want to discuss the video. Now, do you also want to assume the 2-ball isn't frozen afterall? Just let me know.
Jude Rosenstock said:
I'm not sure we're discussing anything anymore. I suggested a shot, based on a diagram. You suggested that I might as well try an off-the-wall roll the 9 and hope to get lucky shot. I countered that I thought my idea was reasonable, and not comparable to the one you posted. Then you bring up a double-kiss. Then I pointed out that if the diagram was flawed by a 1/4 inch, the kiss wasn't there, and in fact the video looked like the kiss wasn't an issue.
So since the kiss is ambiguous, do you agree that it would be a smart way to play this situation is if the kiss is not in fact in play?
-Andrew
Andrew Manning said:
I think it's creative but no, I don't think it's a smart play. The safety isn't very solid and the carom isn't very likely. If you have BIH on the 2-ball, you can discuss this carom but play position for something like this is not practical.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Well all right then. I'll chalk this one up to inexperience. I sometimes fail to recognize the difference between a solid safety and a not very solid one.
What is it that makes the safety Tony played more solid than the one I would have?
-Andrew
Andrew Manning said:
Two major things - first, you get to relocate the 5-ball (almost anywhere on the table will make it easier to position for) and second, you have a far more predictable safety.
Whenever you can't run out, you want to try and address the reason with your safety. Otherwise, you're leaving yourself another safety scenario which is only going to give your opponent another opportunity.
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Jude Rosenstock said:
For once, Jude and I agree on something. Playnig the carom is too risky, if you sell out, you're not just giving your opponent a chance to run out but a chance to end it quick.
All you have to do is get down table. If you roll too far, you HAVE to play safe on the 3. No one said you have to pocket it. In fact, I'm not even sure I would unless I was confident that I could pocket it AND roll down table leave myself somewhere between the bottom side pocket and the diamond immediately to its right.
If you can get there, you can pocket the 4 in the corner with a little low left sending you two to three rails for shape on the 5. Two rail shape is best here (between the short rail and the 5 ball) as it allows you to send the 5 up table and hide the cuebehind the 6, 7, 8 cluster. This safe could yield Ball-In-Hand at which point you should be out. If you DON'T get BIH, you'll still likely get back to the table.
Andrew Manning said:
The safety that you are playing here requires that you roll the CB the perfect distance down table to the rail, on a table that we are told is super fast and we are having ahrd time adjusting to. To deliberately play that position against someone who you know can run out if they get back to the table is pointless.
And should you get that position, you DO have to worry about a double kiss. And if you get that double-kiss, you might not hit the 9. You might leave the 2 near the 9. You might sell out just trying to play safe, leaving your opponent a shot on the 2 and a chance to safe YOU on the 3 or the 5. OR WORSE, you may leave a 2,9 combo. Anything could happen. I think Jude's point is,if your safe is a low-percentage or difficult shot to pull off, its not that 'safe'.
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pharaoh68 said:
It was bound to happen eventually. We ARE talking pool, right?
pharaoh68
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Yep. Although sadly, we only SORTA agree. I would have played for the position that Tony got on the 3 hoping to get the position that he got on the 4. That would allow for a safe on the 5.
Whether this was your intention or just a possibility you recognized, I'm not sure. But either way, we're on the same wave-length here.
Now lets not let it happen again.
pharaoh68 said:
Yeah, if you review the entire thread, my goal is to get to the 5. How you fall on the 4 determines whether or not to play safe.