9 Ball Situation (4) - Explain This Run Out

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iba7467 said:
Pool is a beautiful game of intricacies. Each time you prepare to shoot, you feel the control of the shot in your form and the stroking of the cue. You know that whether you succeed or fail comes purely from within. This first shot is extremely simple to pocket the two ball, but you must be sure to also know how the cue ball will react after it has made contact. Will it follow the two into the pocket? Will it stop dead in its tracks leaving a very long shot? Will it contact the two, and then leave the lower rail only to slide into the side pocket? If all goes as planned, the cue ball will only brush the two and will rebound off the lower rail and glide smoothly into position to shoot the four ball into the corner pocket.

Now, each shot will require some precision in pocketing the balls. The player will not want to be directly in line with the object ball and the pocket. This would give the player little margin for error to pocket the ball and still be able to maneuver the cue ball into position to shoot the next ball. The player should have a slight angle from the cue ball to the object ball. The player will shoot the cue ball into the part of the four ball that is in line with the pocket. This is where pool becomes more complex. The cue ball would normally depart at a 45 degree angle after contact, but this can be changed by the velocity and spin of the cue ball. Pool players call this English. The player will shoot through the top of the cue ball causing it to spin forward more quickly than natural, this is called top English. This will cause the cue ball to take a straighter path after contacting the four. The cue will then hit the lower rail and come back up the table to contact the side rail and slide back out towards the center.

The intent will be to have a fairly straight shot to pocket the five ball. This is because the seven would cause a problem when trying to get position on the six. The player should then cue the through the bottom of the cue ball. This will cause it to be spinning backwards despite its forward momentum. This is called draw or bottom English. The reason this is done is that once contact is made with the five ball, the backwards spinning motion will cause the cue ball to actually reverse direction and come to rest closer to where it was originally shot from.

The player will then have a fairly easy shot to pocket the six ball in the same pocket as the four. The cue ball should come off the rail and into position a few inches towards the center from where the six is now. The player can then shoot the seven ball at a very slight angle into the pocket the five was played. As before the cue ball should leave the seven at a 45 degree angle after contact, but this can be altered using English. The player will shoot with just enough bottom English that the cue ball will be barely spinning backwards as it contacts the seven. This will cause the angle coming off the seven to be larger.

The cue ball should slide into position to shoot the eight into the side pocket. If the player hits the shot a little too hard, he should still be able to shoot the eight into the upper corner. Either of these options should leave the player straight in on the nine, the final and winning ball. This is when it is great to have a straight in shot since there is no other ball to play position for. It is also nice to have an easy shot when it means this player will win the game, the tournament, and the nice cash prize.

iba7467, this is beautiful to read. I really appreciate how you have explained things clearly and elegantly. Bravo!

Does anybody else here like to show some good writing skill?

This is from a real tournament game. I will show the video in a day or two .. :)
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
You think the rest of the forum isn't going to look at your diagram and laugh? C'mon, man! That thing is just silly!

Sure it is, Jude. Silly of me to comment on your expert opinion in the first place. Can't imagine what I was thinking.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Sure it is, Jude. Silly of me to comment on your expert opinion in the first place. Can't imagine what I was thinking.

pj
chgo


These are IMO the correct position zones.

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If you think you're right, that's fine. In the end, it's your pool game.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
These are IMO the correct position zones.

If you had said so without all the drama you wouldn't have buried your message.

I thought your comment that "you are going to need precise position on the 5-ball" was exaggerated, so I showed all the possible position areas as a way of asking what you meant. FWIW, I mostly agree with you, but I think you're still exaggerating a little, maybe just to give as little ground as possible...

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
If you had said so without all the drama you wouldn't have buried your message.

I thought your comment that "you are going to need precise position on the 5-ball" was exaggerated, so I showed all the possible position areas as a way of asking what you meant. FWIW, I mostly agree with you, but I think you're still exaggerating a little, maybe just to give as little ground as possible...

pj
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Okay, TRUCE! Obviously, we're working with the assumption that the other person is on the end of the spectrum. I mean, I still firmly believe this is a critical shot. Play it right and you are well on your way to running out. Play it short, long, wide, etc., and you can find yourself fighting the table. You're right, you don't NEED to be precise to get out however, I think it's best to give this shot some respect.
 
I think it's best to give this shot some respect.

I agree with that, and to that end I'd play the 2 so that I'm pretty sure of not getting too straight on the 4 (not too near the 8), leaving myself a decent angle to go two rails (end, top side) and roll into the 5-ball zone the "long way".

pj
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Guys, it's is great to be specific to details and learn from different ideas.

I know Jude has absolutely no problem with dates and Pat is happily married. Both have high standards in their game. However, I'd urge you to consider one of the directions of this thread: we all have troubles explaining why pool is a good thing to people who don't play. I think this can be one of the problems for pool.

Let's try this just for once. Give it your best shot:

Using the layout, explain the essential elements of good pool, in layman's English, as if you are trying to ask your rich cousin to install a pool table in his/her health club and give you a free membership card.

Big thanks to Neil and iba7467 again for their great helps.
 
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Neil said:
To me, position on the 5 entails 2 things.

1. I don't want to come up short. If I do, I might have a problem with the 9 for getting my preferred shot on the 6.

2. I don't want to go too long. I don't want a thin but makeable cut on the 5 either. That also makes it too difficult to get on the 6.

There is a Big zone to make the 5. There is a smaller zone to get proper position on the 5 to get easy position on the 6.

Good points.. I'd have to add though... The higher percentage shot on this layout would be the 5-9 combo..:D
 
Video of the Run Out

Here is the video of Earl running out this rack and won in 1991 (starting 1:30):

1991 World Pool Championship 9B Earl Strickland vs Nick Varner

A taste of pool 20 years ago, not exactly a smooth run out, but it sure has some entertainment value.

The video can get better using today's technology, but I think it has set a great example in making pool marketable on TV.

1, Presentable: players wearing clean white shirts, audience in the front two rows wearing jacket+tie and showing real interest to the game. The player going through the rack quickly without much pausing

2, Expressive: player talks on camera every now and then to reflect the situation and their feelings after the game (great hand shake there with Nick). Commentator is quick to show people the ambiance of the room, react to any tiny issues and bring the focus back to the game (thanks to Mr. Incadona)


Anyone likes to add some comments about the video?


If you can, share it to friends who don't play pool. Ask them the interesting/uninteresting parts of the video.
 
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cuetable said:
Here is the video of Earl running out this rack and won in 1991 (starting 1:30):

1991 World Pool Championship 9B Earl Strickland vs Nick Varner

A taste of pool 20 years ago, not exactly a smooth run out, but it sure has some entertainment value.

The video can get better using today's technology, but I think it has set a great example in making pool marketable on TV.

1, Presentable: players wearing clean white shirts, audience in the front two rows wearing jacket+tie and showing real interest to the game. The player going through the rack quickly without much pausing

2, Expressive: player talks on camera every now and then to reflect the situation and their feelings after the game (great hand shake there with Nick). Commentator is quick to show people the ambiance of the room, react to any tiny issues and bring the focus back to the game (thanks to Mr. Incadona)


Anyone likes to add some comments about the video?


If you can, share it to friends who don't play pool. Ask them the interesting/uninteresting parts of the video.

Wow, good call on those who said draw straight back. The 2 is buried in the pocket and my 1-rail approach would not have been available.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, good call on those who said draw straight back. The 2 is buried in the pocket and my 1-rail approach would not have been available.
On the other hand, nobody guessed to bank the 8.
 
Bob Jewett said:
On the other hand, nobody guessed to bank the 8.

Not even Earl... If he got straighter on the 5 he wouldn't have knocked the 9 around blocking the 8 in the corner. If he had angle on the 7, he would have played for the 8 in the side or long corner. As it was, he got straight and felt it best to stop and just hit a bank in the side pocket. Either way, a confident shot.
 
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