90/90 and CTE

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tonythetiger583

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So, I saw some youtube videos on 90/90 and thought I'd give it a shot because of how much time I've spent working on CTE. Went to the table today and tried it out. It took me about 15min to figure out 90/90, and about 30 min to teach it to a friend who had no prior experience with pivot based aiming. I never figured out the manual pivot, but I was amazed at how easy the air pivot was. I know that CTE has set the foundation for how I look at the points on a ball, and what visuals to use for what shot, but after becoming about 65% as proficient with 90/90 as I am with CTE in about 3 hours of table time, I'm wondering what the pros and cons of each one are.

I feel like the CTE visuals are a little harder to acquire, but more easier to know when you've locked onto them. The 90/90 visuals seem easier, but require a bit more but still very acceptable amount of estimation. I feel like 90/90 is like the crayola safety scissors to CTE and not in a bad way.

So now which do I use, when, and why? I also might be missing a ton of information, since I pretty much watched a couple of very basic videos and then made up the air pivot myself. As far as I know, there's the Edge to Edge/ Edge to Center and Edge to Opposite Edge visuals. If I'm missing anything please let me know.
 
I too do not have the DVD's and so I've spent hours and hours trying to piece it all together from the you tube videos so I can't answer your question but I notice you list 3 points of aim basically. That's what I get from the videos as well, but when I practice these I always run into gaps in between points where neither makes the ball. I see mention of half tip pivots and sweeps and the like but not enough info to make them useable for me. What I have migrated to is using more aiming points on the cueball as well as the object ball, so instead of edges and centers, I am using inner edge, 1/4 ball, center ob ball, 3/4 ball, and outer edge. So I' am breaking down the object ball, AND, the cue ball, into 5 aiming points each. And so I try and guess the correct one, and address the shot, and then try and verify it with a visual of the contact point. If it looks right I shoot, if not then I know then which way to go to correct it, then try again until it looks right. By adding in the 1/4s of the balls I've filled in most gaps that I used to find, and my aiming is getting much better, but I still wonder if there is an easier way. Ghost ball and contact point aiming alone are no longer accurate enough as my eyes get older now.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Renegade 56,
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Oh, you like his post! He does NOT have the DVDS, so one should NOT expect Renegate to put the system together from YouTube alone. But you grasp at any smell of negativity toward my work, no matter how slight it is.
Read my text.....there are plenty of players with real experience that can back it up. There are NO GAPS IN REAL CTE.

Stan Shuffett
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Renegade 56,

I don't want to go into CTE at all but you mentioned something that I asked about a couple of times & got no reply.

Can you please tell me what is an 'inner edge' & an 'outer edge'?

Thanks in advance should you choose to respond,
Rick
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Renegade,

This is a CTE trap.....that ENGLISH is setting. He is after me through the back door.

I thought the moderators told English to move on....

Stan Shuffett
 
ENGLISH! said:
R 56,

I'm asking about those specific references that I highlighted. If you now don't wish to respond I understand or maybe you can PM me.

Best 2 you & Your,
Rick
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Why are you trying to corner HIM. He clearly indicated he is incomplete with his info information.
What is your point....and WHY can't you let this go and MOVE ON?

Stan Shuffett
 
tonythetiger583 said:
Please don't hijack this thread. My question is about 90/90 and whether it compliments CTE.
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Sorry for my part but the derail started with English and his continuing efforts to prove to everyone on the planet that CTE PRO ONE Is not objective. He has been told to move along but he continues to feel his oats and refuses to do so.

Stan Shuffett
 
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tonythetiger583 said:
Please don't hijack this thread. My question is about 90/90 and whether it compliments CTE.
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I'm sorry I steered your thread off track. My questions are much different than yours. In fact what I'm doing is some sort of combination of the 2 systems and I honestly don't know the real differences. I have seen enough to know they can help. Again I am sorry.

Stan, I'm not cheaping out, I'm actually just eager to learn the system and trying what I can for now. I am experiencing heavy financial stress currently due to medical issues my wife has. I fully intend to buy your video when things ease up. I'm working with what I have at the moment, Luckily I do have a pool table at home to practice on, otherwise if I were to have to pay table time there would be no practice or pool at all for the foreseeable future for me. I appreciate what you do and it has absolutely helped so far, but I know I'll never fully get it without the DVDs.
 
Renegade_56

I will certainly send prayers for Your Wife, You, & All Family & Friends.

We were just the recipients of very many Prayers & Well Wishes from All of the Good People here on AZB regarding my Wife's Knee Replacement with extenuating circumstances on the 19th.

Perhaps everyone can do the same & join along with me here.

May the Best of Everything Befall You & Your Entire Family,
Rick
 
tonythetiger583 said:
Please don't hijack this thread. My question is about 90/90 and whether it compliments CTE.
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I know and can use 90/90 very well. I even teach 90/90 to certain people.
I know and use CTE all the time. I even teach CTE to certain people.

I think that all aiming systems are related. The more we know about 90/90 the more we would understand CTE and vise versa.

The reason there are so many aiming systems is there are so many brains to satisfy.

randyg
 
ENGLISH! said:
Renegade_56

I will certainly send prayers for Your Wife, You, & All Family & Friends.

We were just the recipients of very many Prayers & Well Wishes from All of the Good People here on AZB regarding my Wife's Knee Replacement with extenuating circumstances on the 19th.

Perhaps everyone can do the same & join along with me here.

May the Best of Everything Befall You & Your Entire Family,
Rick
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Thank you,,,,,,,,,
 
tonythetiger583 said:
So, I saw some youtube videos on 90/90 and thought I'd give it a shot because of how much time I've spent working on CTE. Went to the table today and tried it out. It took me about 15min to figure out 90/90, and about 30 min to teach it to a friend who had no prior experience with pivot based aiming. I never figured out the manual pivot, but I was amazed at how easy the air pivot was. I know that CTE has set the foundation for how I look at the points on a ball, and what visuals to use for what shot, but after becoming about 65% as proficient with 90/90 as I am with CTE in about 3 hours of table time, I'm wondering what the pros and cons of each one are.

I feel like the CTE visuals are a little harder to acquire, but more easier to know when you've locked onto them. The 90/90 visuals seem easier, but require a bit more but still very acceptable amount of estimation. I feel like 90/90 is like the crayola safety scissors to CTE and not in a bad way.

So now which do I use, when, and why? I also might be missing a ton of information, since I pretty much watched a couple of very basic videos and then made up the air pivot myself. As far as I know, there's the Edge to Edge/ Edge to Center and Edge to Opposite Edge visuals. If I'm missing anything please let me know.
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I use both extensively with an air pivot. Which one I use is dependent on just where I am standing at ball address. You stand in a slightly different place for each one. They are very, very, compatible.

The biggest problem with 90/90 air pivot is that it is much easier to get sloppy with it than CTE/Pro 1. This is because you just have one visual to go by. Once one gets going good, their speed in taking shots usually increases, and this can cause the sloppiness. If you can keep the same speed of PSR, and thereby same attention to details, you shouldn't really notice any difference between the two.
 
Neil said:
I use both extensively with an air pivot. Which one I use is dependent on just where I am standing at ball address. You stand in a slightly different place for each one. They are very, very, compatible.

The biggest problem with 90/90 air pivot is that it is much easier to get sloppy with it than CTE/Pro 1. This is because you just have one visual to go by. Once one gets going good, their speed in taking shots usually increases, and this can cause the sloppiness. If you can keep the same speed of PSR, and thereby same attention to details, you shouldn't really notice any difference between the two.
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It's interesting that you should say, that, I tried 90/90 out tonight, and I still feel much more comfortable with CTE for extreme cut shots, and when I need a precise 30 degree perception. But other than, the extreme cut shots, or frozen rail shots (where I'm inclined to trust CTE more), I can see using both interchangeably. I was playing all my shots with 90/90 by the end of the night, but it seemed to get worse as I sped up, and as I got tired.

After reading your post, I'm wondering if there would be any benifit to alternating CTE and 90/90 every shot as a stop gap to keep me from speeding up and getting sloppy.
 
kaznj said:
Question for randyg. You say you use cte. Is this pro 1?
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Joel

NO, not Pro-One. That's Stan's teaching of CTE.

I got my introduction to CTE from Hal Houle. Been using CTE and teaching it for 20 years.

Hal taught me many great aiming systems that I pass on to my students.

I also have a system of my own that we call "Off-set aiming".


I will be on the East Coast this Summer.
Let's get together.
randyg
 
randyg said:
Joel

NO, not Pro-One. That's Stan's teaching of CTE.

I got my introduction to CTE from Hal Houle. Been using CTE and teaching it for 20 years.

Hal taught me many great aiming systems that I pass on to my students.

I also have a system of my own that we call "Off-set aiming".


I will be on the East Coast this Summer.
Let's get together.
randyg
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Maybe you can one day share more here, perhaps after you retire if you have any intentions of retiring.

Just a thought.

Best 2 You & Yours,
Rick
 
ENGLISH! said:
Maybe you can one day share more here, perhaps after you retire if you have any intentions of retiring.

Just a thought.

Best 2 You & Yours,
Rick
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Hi Rick

I share as much as I think the reader can absorb.

The one thing about aiming systems is:
They all need hands on instruction to learn them properly and quickly.

randyg
 
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