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DrCue'sProtege

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these are the type of things that just kill me when i play. i managed to pocket the '1' and '4' on the break, and was left with this layout. too much of a gamble to try and get position going around the '5' and '7' ball, so i decided to go with a little low right and bring it up towards the '3' ball via the route described.

as a result, i left myself on the 50 yard line, whats usually called No Man's Land at Point A. very difficult cut into the corner, and extremely thin into the side pocket. i was hoping to come up to around Point B.

these types of things just kill my 9-Ball game. and it seems to happen to me all the time. and yes, i realize i am the one that causes it to happen to me.

DCP

Note: The 'A' failed to show, its at the end of the yellow arrow.

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LoL. I thought these had stopped, too.

DCP -- I'd just make the 3 regardless and stun around for the 5 in the same pocket. If I miss, oh well. No use beating myself up for missing shape. Even Efren does it.

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Here we go again. :rolleyes:
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DrCue'sProtege said:
these are the type of things that just kill me when i play. i managed to pocket the '1' and '4' on the break, and was left with this layout. too much of a gamble to try and get position going around the '5' and '7' ball, so i decided to go with a little low left and bring it up towards the '3' ball via the route described.

as a result, i left myself on the 50 yard line, whats usually called No Man's Land at Point A. very difficult cut into the corner, and extremely thin into the side pocket. i was hoping to come up to around Point B.

these types of things just kill my 9-Ball game. and it seems to happen to me all the time. and yes, i realize i am the one that causes it to happen to me.

DCP

Note: The 'A' failed to show, its at the end of the yellow arrow.

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First, I should say that anyone could have made the same mistake, so you shouldn't feel unique in that sense. One thing I would point out, though, is that you might want to keep an eye open for the "natural" rolls; those are the position shots that do not require any spin at all. Assuming that your diagram is accurate, you could have gone one rail off of the two, and drifted between the 7 and 5 with a center-ball hit. Obviously, that doesn't guarantee that you're going to have a great shot, but it is another option, and one you might consider if you're having cb control issues when using side-spin. BTW, I'm going to assume that you meant low-right instead of low-left. All of that being said, I would have taken the two-rail route like you did. You just need to decide whether you're playing the 3 in the side or the corner, then pick out an appropriate spot on that bottom rail, and make that your target. The speed is not so much of an issue since you have a lot of real estate to play around in. Just focus on making the cb hit that spot.

Good Luck!

Aaron
 
I don't intend to sound rude or as if I'm talking down to you because we've all been there at one time or another, and believe me, your mistake is not exactly something that nobody has ever encountered before. But, as with in your posts in the past too...........................I never have totally understood what your intentions are with your posts. Are you asking for help/advice? Or just simply sharing your mistakes that I might add are not entirely uncommon? In your explanations with your scenarios, you seem to have a pretty good grip on what you intended to do, why you intended to do it, what you did wrong, and how do avoid doing it again.........................so once again, please don't take this in the wrong way.......................but close your browser window, put your butt back on the table and go back and play that two over and over again until you can get it right at least 70% of the time.
Obviously you have a great desire and enthusiasm to improve, so you will. But it needs to be done on the table and not in front of a computer.
Good luck,
dave
 
Given the five doesn't pass into either corner pocket I would be moving either that five or the blocking seven and not even worry about the three; it has five holes open. Hey, sometimes you have to just take a reading...:)
...all this thinking would take about 1.5 seconds...:)
 
You know, the more I look at this the more it seems that the 3-ball is too high on the table to use low-left and shoot it in the corner. You'd need a lot of draw and spin to get the cueball to point B for a good shot in the corner.

I think the shot selection may have been wrong -- it would have been easier to play position for the 3-ball in the side instead and drift down for the 5. The margin for error is greater, certainly: you can go too far past the 3 and still drift down, or you can come short and go 1 or 2 rails back down for the 5.
 
I think before you make the 2 ball though, you need to see where the 5 ball can go. If the 5 can go past the 7 into the corner, then spot B would be great shape. But if not, spot B doesn’t leave the best opportunity for 5 ball shape.

You might try middle-right on the 2 ball, positioning the CB for a side pocket shot on the 3.

Rick
 
DCP...your post number is 1096. The police "10" code has a 10-96...look it up.

:D

Jeff Livingston
 
Relax, man. You got fine on the 3. If you're not a player who cuts the 3 in the corner from there, you're not a player who gets perfect position off two rails either, and you're not getting out no matter what.

Every player who wants to play run-out 9-ball has to be prepared to make shots like your shot on the 3 during a routine out. It's just part of the game. Even the pros end up having to make a tough shot in most outs; nobody can get perfect on every shot. Count yourself lucky (or really good) if you only have one of these per rack.

But for what it's worth, a gentle shot with left english goes around the 7 and approaches the 3 for a shot in the corner by the 6 ball. I think it's a less awkward position zone to hit, since coming off the two and drawing back to the long rail leaves you approaching the position zone for the 3 awkwardly; if you don't stroke it really well the CB wants to come long off the two rails and leave you where you ended up.

-Andrew
 
PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL....

Posting suggestions on what he should do may make you feel like you are helping him out, but we all know that another question as to why he got 1/8 inch out of line is only minutes away.

DCP, you are defeated before you ever even put chalk on your tip. Your attitude towards why can't I make this shot and get perfect shape continue to amaze me and it looks like lots and lots of other people.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
Here we go again. :rolleyes:
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I thought the same thing, I thought it was an old post at first until I saw it was posted today.

Anyway... I think most people would have played it the way you did DCP without thinking of the other options. I probably would have shot that 2 ball with Low right also. However after looking it over a few times you could have shot the 2 ball and rolled up between the 5 and 7 for a shot on the three in the opposite corner. Also, this way if you hit it to hard you still have a shot on the 3 in the side pocket or the top corner.

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If you really wanted to get to B, you could have came up between the 5 and 9, I think that way is the best option to get to the B spot you marked. Chances are you wont overshoot this shot, but if you did, the side pocket would be there for a shot on the 3 and still have a good chance at the 5 ball.

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Regardless, where you got on the three is still not a hard run out.

For the new year, I think im gonna stop busting your balls (DCP) and give you serious responses in your posts.
 
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Try posting a little different also next time DCP. Instead of posting what you did and how you got out of line. Post the diagram and ask others what they would do there, then compare it with what you did. Telling people what you did wrong will have them come up with other options, not telling them at all and you will see if they made the same mistake you did. Then post back later in the thread and tell them what you actually did in the situation. This way you are still staying invloved in the threads and it makes the thread more interesting rather then it seeming like you are just complaining.

Hope this helps.
 
Given the angle on the two ball, I believe it would be easy enough to play the cue ball at about 11:30 or 12:00 and go forward two rails between the seven and the side rail. You will be coming off the second rail at a perfect angle to get straight on the three in the corner and hold the rock for the five, which does appear to pass the seven.

In any case, you had too much angle on the two ball to reliably come backward two rails to position B. As we develop, many of the errors that we agonize over are not the result of poor technique, or not being able to play under pressure. Often they simply reflect the fact that we need to improve our knowledge of the table and the game. This is clearly one such example. Consider it part of the learning process, and like another poster noted, always look for the most natural cue ball paths and KEEP IT SIMPLE.
 
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