Thank you to Joey A for posting. Mike page's videos as well as Joe Tucker's are very enjoyable.
I'm posting because I've been sucking lately and decided to hide behind my keyboard (no not a joke it's true) instead of practicing/playing
My 2 cents I think when people think they've changed the tangent line with English/Side/Side spin (don't know any other terms) its because they also cheated the pocket so they were never on the tangent line in the first place.
Sir,
You are somewhat correct. It is a bit about wording. In Mr. Pages video, when he talks about the tangent line of the shot, let's asssume he is talking about pocketing the ball into the center of the pocket. In the video Mr. Page talks about 'changing' the path of the cue ball from the 'normal' path that it would take by being hit in the center of the vertical axis. He propers changing that cue bal path from that center cue ball hit tangent line by hitting lower or higher on the vertical axis. That can be done.
If one cheats the pocket one way or the other, the path of the cue ball will be changed from that of pocketing the ball in the center. Technically there is a
new tangent line. if one uses side soin to throw the ball, more tangent lines are available.
If one says that they can change the tangent line by doing that without a complete explanation & clarification, some would argue that it can't done. They will argue until it is said 'a different tangent line' or 'a new tangent line'. Then they would say, 'oh well, you did not say that, you said change the tangent line & that can not be done because a tangent line can't be changed, you can just create another different tangent line.
In both case the path of the cue ball has been changed from what it would have been from the original propostion of pockeing the ball in the center of the pocket with a center hit on the cue ball.
There have been quite a few discussions turned arguement because one woud say 'change the tangent line'. To some that can not be a correct statement unless it is carified by adding 'from the original to a new tangent line'.
It's not what can & can not be done that is the arguement but how one explained it that is the real argument. IMHO there is too much of that happening on AZB, arguement for the sake of argueing instead of trying to actually communicate. It has been lessoned a bit with a few bans recently.
I hope that makes clear that it is the cue ball path from a certain tangent line that is being changed or a
new tangent line created by cheating the pocket. A 'tangent line' can not be changed by definition. That is what they will argue, not the fact that the cue ball path can not be changed.
I hope your game picks up.
Regards to You &