A scratch golfer is...

Scratch play in golf / pool

I was close to a scratch player in golf just a few years back. I play 7-8 speed in pool, making me the all-time authority on this subject.;)

I would have to agree that a scratch player in golf is equivalent to an 8-10 speed in pool. 8's, 9's and 10's can play, but they aren't on that top, pro level. In golf, you get one chance to get it in the fairway, one chance to get it on the green, and two chances to get it in the hole. If you can do that successfully, it's like running out without making any unforced errors, providing you don't get a bad roll on the break in 9-ball. In one-pocket, a scratch player just doesn't make stupid mistakes period. He will hit the 'right shot' every time whether it's to charge, or duck.

Scratch play is considered to be par or better on a rated course. Successful amateur stroke play at a USGA sanctioned event defines a scratch golfer as someone who can reach a 470 yard hole in two shots at sea level. To me, that is the same as a pool player who can successfully break the balls, and run out providing there is a clear shot on the 1 and no balls tied up and on standard equipment.

In pool, there is that dreaded 'roll' factor that comes into play on the break (in 9-ball). This makes all the difference in the world especially when your money's on the line. In golf, those 'rolls' are equivalent to a 'lip-out' or a bad kick, but not much more. The scratch golfer is in 90% control of his outcome providing he is playing on sub-PGA standard course. It is much more difficult to explain skill level in one pocket, so I'm not gonna try.

Simply put, IMO:

Scratch player on a municipal golf course playing par from the post (6000 yds) closely resembles a pool player playing on standard equipment, ie. GC/Diamond & Aramith/Centennial rated an 8, 9 or 10 in my town. Which means you can most likely beat the ghost.

Another way of looking at scratch play is, I took my PAT test in golf, in my attempt to become a PGA member. To pass, we did 36 holes back to back in the same day and came in under 154. I would also say that is pretty close to scratch play. At least that's the respectable standard for the PGA of America.

If I had to give a simple answer, I would conclude with this: "You either got game, or you ain't got no game." To me, it's as simple as that. 'nuff said. :cool:

P.S. Glen Atwell, IMO is a top tournament player that could compete as a pro if he wanted to. I personally don't keep up with him, but I watched him play here in Tulsa, and he mowed the field over. The boy can play. I see his name here and there in tournament standings and his name is in 1st place more often than most others besides Edwin Montal.
 
deadgearplyr said:
I was close to a scratch player in golf just a few years back. I play 7-8 speed in pool, making me the all-time authority on this subject.;)

I would have to agree that a scratch player in golf is equivalent to an 8-10 speed in pool. 8's, 9's and 10's can play, but they aren't on that top, pro level. In golf, you get one chance to get it in the fairway, one chance to get it on the green, and two chances to get it in the hole. If you can do that successfully, it's like running out without making any unforced errors, providing you don't get a bad roll on the break in 9-ball. In one-pocket, a scratch player just doesn't make stupid mistakes period. He will hit the 'right shot' every time whether it's to charge, or duck.

Scratch play is considered to be par or better on a rated course. Successful amateur stroke play at a USGA sanctioned event defines a scratch golfer as someone who can reach a 470 yard hole in two shots at sea level. To me, that is the same as a pool player who can successfully break the balls, and run out providing there is a clear shot on the 1 and no balls tied up and on standard equipment.

In pool, there is that dreaded 'roll' factor that comes into play on the break (in 9-ball). This makes all the difference in the world especially when your money's on the line. In golf, those 'rolls' are equivalent to a 'lip-out' or a bad kick, but not much more. The scratch golfer is in 90% control of his outcome providing he is playing on sub-PGA standard course. It is much more difficult to explain skill level in one pocket, so I'm not gonna try.

Simply put, IMO:

Scratch player on a municipal golf course playing par from the post (6000 yds) closely resembles a pool player playing on standard equipment, ie. GC/Diamond & Aramith/Centennial rated an 8, 9 or 10 in my town. Which means you can most likely beat the ghost.

Another way of looking at scratch play is, I took my PAT test in golf, in my attempt to become a PGA member. To pass, we did 36 holes back to back in the same day and came in under 154. I would also say that is pretty close to scratch play. At least that's the respectable standard for the PGA of America.

If I had to give a simple answer, I would conclude with this: "You either got game, or you ain't got no game." To me, it's as simple as that. 'nuff said. :cool:

P.S. Glen Atwell, IMO is a top tournament player that could compete as a pro if he wanted to. I personally don't keep up with him, but I watched him play here in Tulsa, and he mowed the field over. The boy can play. I see his name here and there in tournament standings and his name is in 1st place more often than most others besides Edwin Montal.
Thaak you.. Now do I not only have a great idea of how golf players rate,(even though i dont play that game). I have an idea on how pool players rate.. Very important to a guy who thinks about games the way I do..Thanks again
 
As it happens I am some of the time a scratch golfer (going up and down between scratch and 1 at the moment, more often at 1 than scratch) and I was a 'pro' at uk style 8 ball pool in the early 80's.

Didn't take up golf til I was in my late 40's and didn't hit a single pool ball between the age of 32 and 52. Am 56 now and play a little American Pool on occasions. Have played a few top Asian Pros in the last 5 years including Alcano and Fu.

Two of my regular golf practice partners are pro golfers playing frequently on The Asian Tour and my own home club is the venue for a top European PGA Tour event every January (2009 Abu Dhabi Golf Championship will be held there 17-20 January see adgolfclub.com. I have played in two European PGA Tour Seniors events as an amateur winning through in the qualifying competitions and retaining amateur status by waiving all rights to prize money (not that I would have won much, lol). I have also caddied in several regular European PGA Tour events.

I don't find it easy, even with some relevant knowledge of both, to equate the level of golfing ability of a scratch amateur golfer to what that would mean in pool terms. Apart from anything else, as someone has pointed out, there are scratch golfers and 'scratch' golfers and in reality their relative abilities may be quite different due to from where and via which handicapping system their handicaps are derived and maintained.

That being understood, personally do not think that the suggestion from a previous poster which seemed to be that scratch golfers are the equivalent of short stop pool players as they are both just short of world class speed is even remotely close to being realistic. Scratch golfers are a dime a dozen and a handicap of scratch wouldn't even get you into a field of say 60 for most regional amateur championships in for example Uk (where only the lowest handicapped entrants are accepted) as you'd be balloted out, let alone get you into national amateur championships or world amateur championships (other than in the seniors category which for amateurs is age 55+).

An average scratch golfer is in my opinion probably close to being the equivalent of a useful amateur pool player, let's say one who is capable on his best day of beating all other amateurs in his region except for the top half dozen or so amateurs in his region who he would never beat and on his average days perhaps ranked in the top 30 or so amateur pool players in his region. However he is nowhere near the ability of the pro pool players.

I'm not going to get into comparing tour pro golfers with pro pool players as that is a whole different discussion done to death several times already :smile:

Hope this helps but it is of course just an opinion.

Edited for typos etc.
 
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Mowem down said:
These 2 games are always getting compaired. Who is an example of a scratch golfer in a pool player.. 9 ball and 1 pocket (on 9fters)

not looking to ruin anybodys action so a known example would be best

A scratch pool player?

I'm a good scratch player. I shoot, I scratch, and I lose. :grin-square:
 
Scratch Golfer is...

I consider Glen Atwell a Professional Pool Player. He is probably the best player in the Pacific Northwest. If he had the opportunity to play in all the major Professional Tournaments he would certainly cash in most of them and within six months he would finish in the top six. Glen is certainly one of the great unknown players in the U.S.

I do realize that Glen just qualified for the World 9 Ball and took like 4,5,6 (?) in a major Texas tournament. He is a great player and winning one of these major tournaments is not out of the question.
 
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