A Tip installers ultimate challenge

Tronpocket

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Recently I've taken up the daunting task of servicing the cues for a small Russian pyramid club.
They used to do their own tip work by hand, almost every cue in the building was damaged or missing the tips and ferrule so I offered to try it out...
I like a challenge anyway.

I've been doing pool and billiard cue tip install for the last 10 years and I'm considered one of the better installers in my area with a great customer base and about 200 tip jobs average done a year not including the house cues.
After thousands of tip jobs I've almost never had a tip that came off under normal usage on pool / billiard cue.
Break tips included.
And I'm always refining my craft.

But these pyramid cues... good lord.

To begin with....
The game is inherently brutal on the equipment.
25oz cues, large heavy balls. ( bigger then billiard) and most amateur players just slam the F#@& out of the ball, Every shot is a break shot.

I've been Putting on triangles (requested and recommended) ,
The surfaces meticulously preped, no rush, little trial and error experimenting with different glue and whatnot and I'm at about a 50 percent that the tip lasts the week.

They get fresh tips, don't break them in properly and just Beat the hell out of them slamming balls around the table.
The tips flatten ( as expected for a single layer leather) or get broke in unevenly and expand breaking the glue bond, they hit new tips off the edges, bang the cue on the table...
just brutal.
I did replace alot of mushroomed deformed and cracked ferrules from them as well.
Now I don't charge them allot for the work. its more a personal challenge.
Like 5 bucks a tip Average.
Maybe 20 for a ferrule replaced.

I've installed a few kamuis med/ Hard for them on some of the housepros cues and haven't had a problem... probably because the take care of thier equipment and play a more finesse style of play.

So I'm open to suggestions, or if anyone here has a similar experience with pyramid cues.
I might need to change the ferrule material to something different Or go almost ferruless with a pad.

This year I'll go to the SBExpo and get a variety of affordable hard tips to try out,
I'm considering trying a bulletproof synthetic playing tips on a couple cues, see how they hold up. But they are not cost efficient if they fly off after a week..or month even.
Other then that I either have to just take the good with the bad or relinquish my duties to someone who might not care as much a I do about customer satisfaction.

Also, if you ever get a chance to play the game, try it out.
I try and go every couple weeks as it's like 30p.h. for a table it get expensive.
I describe it as..
Frustratingly Fun.

Hit em straight, Tronpocket
 
It might be worth trying the new bulletproof synthetic tips...

 

Joe Blackburn​

This man is about 80 now.
Installing tips since his youth, and sets up his lathe etc at most all pro events of the past and present.

FB em.... you'll get the feedback your looking for.
He's good guy.

bm

 
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I might need to change the ferrule material to something different Or go almost ferruless with a pad.
What do you mean "go almost ferruless with a pad"?
It seems the cue should be equipped with a PoolDawg $7 Elite Phenolic Tip-Ferrule Combo (14mm):
tip_ferrule combo Elite 7 dollar.jpg
 
Get a Russian Pyramid Game cue for $350 from eBay at https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969293571...d=link&campid=5335988529&toolid=20001&mkevt=1
Specifications follow.
The photo below is from another eBay Russian-cue sale --- this one for $1900 https://www.ebay.com/itm/2563746417...d=link&campid=5335988529&toolid=20001&mkevt=1
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Бильярдный Kий Бокоте/Чёрный Граб/Граб 7x5 запилов​


  • Материал/Wood: Бокоте/Черный граб/Граб(Bokote/Black Hornbeam/Hornbeam)
  • Вес/Weight: ~705 грм
  • Диаметр наклейки/Tip diameter: 12.5 мм
  • Диаметр скрутки/Joint diameter: 18,5 мм
  • Диаметр турняка/Butt diameter: 26.5 мм
  • Длина кия/Cue length: 161 см

Disclaimer: This is NOT a pool cue. This is a RUSSIAN PYRAMID GAME cue and it has different technical characteristics compared to cues made for Pool Game. For more information and available models, please reach out to Vision Billiards, the authorized distributor in U



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Do what you want but $5 is too cheap for me. If they have a handful I’ll do $10, but no shaft cleaning, that would be extra.

Since you know they are abusing them, I would not guarantee anything once out the door. You seem aggravated so charge for your time with an aggravation fee attached.
 
Do what you want but $5 is too cheap for me. If they have a handful I’ll do $10, but no shaft cleaning, that would be extra.

Since you know they are abusing them, I would not guarantee anything once out the door. You seem aggravated so charge for your time with an aggravation fee attached.
Too cheap .., when you need to replace equipment you’ll regret not charging more. Make some money out of it.
 
Too cheap .., when you need to replace equipment you’ll regret not charging more. Make some money out of it.
You’re probably right. I went back and forth on it. They can buy new cues online at $15 each. The bar owners don’t know know or care about the fact that the cues they have could be a better quality or that I would put a triangle tip on instead of the crappy tip on the cheap new cue.

Their choice. Just slapping a tip on is quick and easy. Eighty percent of the time the cues need more work though. I fully updated the cues in my home bar a couple years ago and they are still going strong. Regulars have their favorite cues. These are benefits to sell but they don’t always see that.

Like I said, you are probably right. As I am getting more into cue building I may have to reassess my time value.
 
You could try water buffalo, they shouldn't mushroom as bad and use loctite professional. You can get them for like 90 cents a piece from cue components. I do cue tips etc. for a local moose lodge. I charge about same as you. I charge 5 bucks a piece for tips if i do 12. If i do less i charge 6 bucks a piece. 10 on ferrules with tip. I use super pros on the house cues. They do mushroom but cheap about 23 bucks for 50 and descent for house cues.
 
I play some Finnish Kaisa(same size balls and same cues) and sometimes Pyramid too. I would suggest also trying some milk duds too.
Kaisa cues have ferrules that are same metal as in Snooker cues. Pyramid cues mostly don´t have ferrules at all. They just have thin pad under tip. I don´t know what material it is. Kinda weird material.
 
Thanks for the input so far.
I know I'm up against it.

I did a few more today, didn't change anything on the process... those puppies are on there real tight... like usual.
But this time I asked the owner to try something and personally spend 10 min per cue breaking them in easily from the middle out building up soft to medium speed, flatten them out and firm em up,
Then I want to trim them.
In the future I'll have him give me a couple butts that fit the shafts they drop off, and borrow an extra ball or 2 do it myself.
Or even use my billiard tables balls.

In the meantime I'm going to try some tip pressing and dudding a few triangles.

I'm not frustrated yet, you'll know when I'm frustrated.....lol.

TP
 
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