About Diamond system geometry

Well, i enjoy reading and abstract composing in my mind (thinking).
I need to try this,and probably be back with more questions?
Thanks again 🖖
 
JPol said:
Not a joke/sarcasm Heater451.

What is fundamental with Diamond System are the finish lines. Those lines are very stable when playing with full spin.

With Corner 50 numbers, this means that a shot Start=50, Aim=30, approximately borrows the same road 20-20, that the shot Start=40, Aim=20, or any one else where S - A = 20.

The 4th rail have no effect in that.

Of course, with a non 8x4 table, the 4th rail numbers would have to be change.
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The 4th side *does not need* to "have an effect", but it's necessary to have a playable table.

The assertation was that the table dimensions had to be 2:1 ratio ("Twice as long as it is wide!") for the system to work. There is no direct correlation to a 4-side requirement, as far as the geometry goes. The 4th side is also the equal-opposite of the other side, so it's necessary for the system to be used when shooting from the other side--and yes, this would mean the opposite side would now be "unnecessary", but that's not the point.

If you change the table shape to another ratio, then the system would not work.

Question though--when you say "full spin" and your diagram valued Spin at 2.7, what does that number represent--is it a rate, a tip-offset amount, or something else?
 
heater451 said:
The 4th side *does not need* to "have an effect", but it's necessary to have a playable table.

The assertation was that the table dimensions had to be 2:1 ratio ("Twice as long as it is wide!") for the system to work. There is no direct correlation to a 4-side requirement, as far as the geometry goes. The 4th side is also the equal-opposite of the other side, so it's necessary for the system to be used when shooting from the other side--and yes, this would mean the opposite side would now be "unnecessary", but that's not the point.

If you change the table shape to another ratio, then the system would not work.

Question though--when you say "full spin" and your diagram valued Spin at 2.7, what does that number represent--is it a rate, a tip-offset amount, or something else?
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As explained in About Diamond System Geometry, the spin in mathematical simulation calculations is taken into account as follows:
- spin = 1 = 1 tip causes one diamond deviation in width (two in length)
- spin = 2.7 causes a deviation of 2.7 diamond in width.

With Diamond System Corner 50 numbers, in the diagram of my post Tuesday at 3:13 AM,

Start = 45, Aim = 30, Finish = 15, spin = 2.7

The spin value = 2.7 used was chosen so that the result corresponds closely to A = S - F.

Naturally, the simulations of "About Diamond System Geometry" are very approximate; they are not designed to improve the chances of success when using the Diamond System. Their purpose is just to attempt to provide explanation on the principle of the System.

Be careful, I do not encourage you to cut up your table to test my explanations!
 
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JPol said:
As explained in About Diamond System Geometry, the spin in mathematical simulation calculations is taken into account as follows:
- spin = 1 = 1 tip causes one diamond deviation in width (two in length)
- spin = 2.7 causes a deviation of 2.7 diamond in width.
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In my experience, each 1/3 of maximum tip offset produces about one diamond of angle kicking cross-table - maximum spin (3/3) produces 3 diamonds of angle. Of course, table and ball conditions will affect it, but stick & tip differences shouldn’t.

pj
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Yesteray i played on a brunswick table with superspeed cushions. What a mess. I ussually like to bank or kick to get in shape for the next ball, but with superspeeds, all logic fails. Dont like them.
Bye bye geometry.
 
I made a succesful bank in my 3rd frame. I made a 4 railer in the end after 5th match, got "used" to it.
But , never thought it was soooooo different.
 
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