Adams/Helmsteder?

TyHawk said:
Which cue make do you think it is? Its pre 1976. Theres just not much info about adams on the net and i see very few of his cues for sale. Any info on this would be appreciated.

76 MOP inlays, 8 points, 4 rings, Ivory...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/AlexHawk86/AdamsCue.jpg

I could be wrong...never stopped me before...but I believe the Lion symbol was the Adams symbol was it not? I am just unsure. Pretty cue for one so old.

Shorty
 
TyHawk said:
Which cue make do you think it is? Its pre 1976. Theres just not much info about adams on the net and i see very few of his cues for sale. Any info on this would be appreciated.

76 MOP inlays, 8 points, 4 rings, Ivory...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/AlexHawk86/AdamsCue.jpg

Adams definitely did the 8-point type cues and used lots of MOP inlays. Where is that lion emblem? Is that on the JP's? That would be really rare - only time I've ever seen that. The case shown is also an Adam. If the pieces are all contemporary, about a 99.6% chance it is an Adam. Surprised if it's not in the BB - I'm at work or I'd check. Beautiful cue BTW. Hang onto it.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
Shorty is right on this one. Based on the lion's symbol that is shown, it is made by or had some influence by the guy who makes Adam Custom Cues (same person also made Helmstetter cues...) Seems like an older fancier model though, because today's designs with all the mother of pearl or otherwise would not be this ornate. Not 100% sure, just my two cents. :)
 
it's a adams cue level 7 a/h-36 "corsair" in about 98% condition it's worth about $950. I may be young but i look at cues all day and no a lot of cue's i hope this helps ya out. :)
 
matthew staton said:
it's a adams cue level 7 a/h-36 "corsair" in about 98% condition it's worth about $950. I may be young but i look at cues all day and no a lot of cue's i hope this helps ya out. :)


I talked to the man at Adam cues, and Matthew is correct. It is in fact an
AH-36 Corsair. It's a beautiful cue!
 
Thx for the info. It was a gift from a freind and it has much sentamental value for me. Its in fine condition but needs a rubber bumper. Any ideas on the best place to get a replacement bumper?

The lion symbol is on all 3 JPs.
 
matthew staton said:
it's a adams cue level 7 a/h-36 "corsair" in about 98% condition it's worth about $950. I may be young but i look at cues all day and no a lot of cue's i hope this helps ya out. :)

Or you could have opened up the bluebook and just read and rewrote those exact words, I may be young but I don't think you're going to impress many with all those cues you look at all day(or what you think you NO). Not to mention if you really KNEW anything about cues you'd prolly know that a price from a book that came out over 5 years ago might not be all that accurate on the pricing.

Jim
 
TyHawk said:
Which cue make do you think it is? Its pre 1976. Theres just not much info about adams on the net and i see very few of his cues for sale. Any info on this would be appreciated.

76 MOP inlays, 8 points, 4 rings, Ivory...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/AlexHawk86/AdamsCue.jpg

Its a very nice cue. You don't see the embossed butt cap much because the material was a brittle plastic, and lack of a bumper, they cracked very easy. Adam made some very fancy cues in the 70's, because they were imports they don't have the following of early Palmers.

Joe
 
Thx for the info. Are you saying that the Adam company from Japan is the Adams/Helmsteder company from the 60s/70s? I didnt know it was imoprted.

I cant tell the plastic parts from the ivory.I assume the JPs are ivory. But im not a cue collector so no suprise there. So your saying that the original had a plastic butt cap? Was the bumper attatched to that or didnt it have a rubber bumper?
I was wondering about the value. I heard on another forum that the $950 came from the BB2 that is almost 10 years old. Isnt it likely that the price has changed?
I looked all over the net and went to the library but in my area there isnt any info on cues so thx again for the help.
 
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JimBo said:
Or you could have opened up the bluebook and just read and rewrote those exact words, I may be young but I don't think you're going to impress many with all those cues you look at all day(or what you think you NO). Not to mention if you really KNEW anything about cues you'd prolly know that a price from a book that came out over 5 years ago might not be all that accurate on the pricing.

Jim

omgwtfpwnzrd, now that was a flame!
 
TyHawk said:
Thx for the info. Are you saying that the Adam company from Japan is the Adams/Helmsteder company from the 60s/70s? I didnt know it was imoprted.

I cant tell the plastic parts from the ivory.I assume the JPs are ivory. But im not a cue collector so no suprise there. So your saying that the original had a plastic butt cap? Was the bumper attatched to that or didnt it have a rubber bumper?
I was wondering about the value. I heard on another forum that the $950 came from the BB2 that is almost 10 years old. Isnt it likely that the price has changed?
I looked all over the net and went to the library but in my area there isnt any info on cues so thx again for the help.

All Adam cues from day one have been imports. Adam / Helmstetter are from the same factory. The buttcap you have is correct, but normally they would break. There was no bumper on your cue, and its as it should be. As far as value, the BB is no where near correct on the value of these cues. I have never seen one sell over 500 dollars. That doesn't mean yours won't, its just a flaw in the pricing.

Joe (---I have seen people ask 1200 for the Monte Carlo
 
classiccues said:
All Adam cues from day one have been imports. Adam / Helmstetter are from the same factory. As far as value, the BB is no where near correct on the value of these cues. I have never seen one sell over 500 dollars. That doesn't mean yours won't, its just a flaw in the pricing.

Joe (---I have seen people ask 1200 for the Monte Carlo


Well Joe...that's not always the case and not true. I know for a fact that an AH-10 Ritz recently sold for $1,200 that was in dynamite shape. And that wasn't as expensive as a Monte Carlo when they were new.

I happen to own a Ritz that's pristine and I don't care whether it's an import or not, nor that it wasn't ranked up there among the elite cues or cuemakers when they were made back in the 70's and 80's...but that cue has to be one of the MOST SOLID and finest hitting cues that I've ever gotten my hands on and hit. It also has a classic Balabushka design that survives the test of time. Cues will sell for what the market will bear and whatever the buyer feels it is worth, and you know that.
 
drivermaker said:
Well Joe...that's not always the case and not true. I know for a fact that an AH-10 Ritz recently sold for $1,200 that was in dynamite shape. And that wasn't as expensive as a Monte Carlo when they were new.

I happen to own a Ritz that's pristine and I don't care whether it's an import or not, nor that it wasn't ranked up there among the elite cues or cuemakers when they were made back in the 70's and 80's...but that cue has to be one of the MOST SOLID and finest hitting cues that I've ever gotten my hands on and hit. It also has a classic Balabushka design that survives the test of time. Cues will sell for what the market will bear and whatever the buyer feels it is worth, and you know that.

Well I won't comment on taste or what someone will pay. I can tell you at the show in PA they never sell that high. In fact there was a Galaxie that was the nicest example I have seen and at 1300 didn't get a sniff. Now if a Ritz sold for 1200, God bless the seller. Well actually he already did. I do know the market and I know I can make the statement I made. Myself and other dealers won't touch Adam cues because there isn't a call for them and there certainly are not enough Adam collectors. So its not just me, its the market in general.

Case in point: Adam AH/12

Joe
 
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JimBo said:
What a clown.

Jim
thats what i did jimbo I no my cue's thoe pretty well LOL some guys like you just have no brain I guess the true value of the cue is what ever any one wants to give ya for it.... :p
 
drivermaker said:
Watch it Jimbo...any and all name calling, whether warranted or unwarranted...are now subject to disciplinary measures or possible dismissal.


You've always been a clown also.

Jim
 
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