Affect of damaged subrails on play

poolfencer

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I tried searching but could not find a post regarding this issue. I have a table overy 100 years old that came from the USO in San Jose, ca. The rails were damaged over the years and the repairs were done very poorly. In some places the featherboards have to be tacked to stay because the slot is loose. Even with new cushions it has never had the bounce I would expect. My suspicion is the subrails. Any thoughts?
 
I tried searching but could not find a post regarding this issue. I have a table overy 100 years old that came from the USO in San Jose, ca. The rails were damaged over the years and the repairs were done very poorly. In some places the featherboards have to be tacked to stay because the slot is loose. Even with new cushions it has never had the bounce I would expect. My suspicion is the subrails. Any thoughts?
Rails could be loose among other things. That will deaden the response. The subrail is just the face that the cushion glues to. Are the sr's cracked? Need to have a mech. check it out.
 
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The rails are tight, I doubled checked them. There are some cracks in the area the cushions are glued to. That's my reason for thinking this might be affecting the cushions. Unfortunately there are no mechanics in my area so I have to do everything myself.
 
The rails are tight, I doubled checked them. There are some cracks in the area the cushions are glued to. That's my reason for thinking this might be affecting the cushions. Unfortunately there are no mechanics in my area so I have to do everything myself.
Talk to a mechanic via phone, rails can be shipped, a lot of people do it that way. I wouldn't rebuild the subrails myself having never done it or seen it done before.
 
are they the proper cushions.? if you didn't put them on who knows what they are.
 
Talk to a mechanic via phone, rails can be shipped, a lot of people do it that way. I wouldn't rebuild the subrails myself having never done it or seen it done before.
A friend who's pretty handy did his a while back and they turned out great. He's a wood hobbyist. He asked around, took pics and took his time. If you don't have decent woodwork skills i wouldn't try it.
 
A friend who's pretty handy did his a while back and they turned out great. He's a wood hobbyist. He asked around, took pics and took his time. If you don't have decent woodwork skills i wouldn't try it.
Best of luck to ya, hope they turn out great. Take some pics, I'd love to see them.
 
I am a pretty good woodworker, I have a complete shop and have made many musical instruments as well as furniture so I am not intimidated by the challenge. The cushions are Brunswick superspeeds that I put on so I think they are pretty decent.
 
Are you sure the rail bolts are working properly? Do you have the specs of cushion nose height etc , I would think a mechanic could tell you a lot just by looking at the rails in closeups. put some on here , almost everybody on here is a savant at about 90 different things and expert at the rest. Just axe em .
 
I am a pretty good woodworker, I have a complete shop and have made many musical instruments as well as furniture so I am not intimidated by the challenge. The cushions are Brunswick superspeeds that I put on so I think they are pretty decent.
Your rail height may be off as the K55 profile cushions sold today (SuperSpeed) are not the same as what the table came with (Monarch). As a result, the sub rail bevel has to be adjusted to get the proper rail height and retain the true playing surface dimensions. What is the height of the nose of the cushion? To get an accurate measurement, don’t use a tape measure.
 
The rails are tight and I have check the cushion height multiple times and they are right on spec. The balls don't jump so I think they are reasonably on. If I decide to follow through on the change out I will post before and after pics. Thanks for all of the suggestions.
 
The rails are tight, I doubled checked them. There are some cracks in the area the cushions are glued to. That's my reason for thinking this might be affecting the cushions. Unfortunately there are no mechanics in my area so I have to do everything myself.
Are you near San Jose? I can take a look at pictures, or in person, and offer some guidance
 
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I tried searching but could not find a post regarding this issue. I have a table overy 100 years old that came from the USO in San Jose, ca. The rails were damaged over the years and the repairs were done very poorly. In some places the featherboards have to be tacked to stay because the slot is loose. Even with new cushions it has never had the bounce I would expect. My suspicion is the subrails. Any thoughts?
For very old tables that have been recovered countless times, many of those recover jobs pre 1970s when they were using tacks instead of staples, the subrails are likely incredibly chewed up / uneven. This makes it virtually impossible for the cushions to be installed dead straight and to play well, even if replacing with new top quality cushion rubbers, unless the subrails are first repaired/replaced.
 
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I am a pretty good woodworker, I have a complete shop and have made many musical instruments as well as furniture so I am not intimidated by the challenge. The cushions are Brunswick superspeeds that I put on so I think they are pretty decent.
Try lowering the nose of the cushion. I don't know the optimum height. The closer you go towards center ball, the quicker the balls leave the cushion. Downside is you may experience ball hop until you get it right.
 
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