Aim Draw drill

JuicyGirl

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I've been trying to search the web for a number of days for any tips on where to aim when I'm working on my center pocket draw drill.

For now I've been able to complete a 3 ball draw drill. I place three balls in a half circle around the center pocket. Shooting from right to left, I try to use draw to position my cb directly behind the next ob (position on the 3rd ball is not perfect but it's good). However, once I move up to the 4 ball drill shot, I can't get position for balls 3 and 4. Sometimes, I can get a crappy position on the third ob but there's no shot worth making on the 4th. Typically, at this point I would just, collect the balls and start my exercise again.:embarrassed2:
I've done this for days, and clearly I am failing to understand what I need to do.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Loren
 
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JuicyGirl said:
I've been trying to search the web for a number of days for any tips on where to aim when I'm working on my center pocket draw drill.

For now I've been able to complete a 3 ball draw drill. I place three balls in a half circle around the center pocket. Shooting from right to left, I try to use draw to position my cb directly behind the next ob (position on the 3rd ball is not perfect but it's good). However, once I move up to the 4 ball drill shot, I can't get position for balls 3 and 4. Sometimes, I can get a crappy position on the third ob but there's no shot worth making on the 4th. Typically, at this point I would just, collect the balls and start my exercise again.:embarrassed2:
I've done this for days, and clearly I am failing to understand what I need to do.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Loren
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where is the center pocket?
 
JuicyGirl said:
??? I'm not sure I understand the question.

The center pocket should be directly in front of my cb and ob.
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quoting you:

I place three balls in a half circle around the center pocket.
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Do you mean you place them around the center of a side or corner pocket?
 
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Found something...

Here is a link to an article by Bob Jewet (isn't he around here) that shows the idea of my exercise but with 7 balls. I'm trying to complete this draw drill with four. I'm going to read the article now, and maybe something with strike a cord in my brain.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001-04.pdf

thanks
Loren
 
JuicyGirl said:
Here is a link to an article by Bob Jewet (isn't he around here) that shows the idea of my exercise but with 7 balls. I'm trying to complete this draw drill with four. I'm going to read the article now, and maybe something with strike a cord in my brain.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001-04.pdf

thanks
Loren
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I think there is a good explanation in that text:

The cue ball follows a zig-zag path; after each shot
it comes to rest about eight inches from the
next ball, and lined up so that a shot to the
center of the pocket gives just enough angle
to get to the next ball. You will quickly
learn what that angle is, but a good rule-ofthumb is to leave the cue ball so that shooting full at the object ball will barely put the
ball in on the right side of the pocket.
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So basically, shoot each shot such that you are on the correct side of the next ball to get position on the shot following that.
 
I think this is what I'm looking for.

The trick is to elevate to about 45 degrees and play a half --masse shot. The cue ball will curve before and after hitting the 3 ball, and with the right touch will get back in line for the 4 ball. This shot calls for a solid raised v --bridge and finess. Don't shoot it like you're killing snakes; instead, it should be more like kissing your Grandma.

It sounds like I need to do a masse, shooting down towards the cb with the appropriate English. :confused:... so it's not a draw in reality???
 
Hi Loren,

really don t want to confuse you- but to *do this drill* successfully it needs practice- that should be clear :)
But what you definitly don t need is to do a semi-massee shot.
I am very sure that you are just not consistant enough-especially if we talk about the speed-factor. (too less draw, too much draw etc :-) )
Then it s already enough to not hit the cueball where * you want* to hit. Also then you ll be lost somehow.

Hope you have somebody *overseas* who can have a look over your shoulders and help you a bit with your mechanics- because i am very sure, that this will help you very much my dear,

wish you merry x mas,

lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
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JuicyGirl said:
I think this is what I'm looking for.

The trick is to elevate to about 45 degrees and play a half --masse shot. The cue ball will curve before and after hitting the 3 ball, and with the right touch will get back in line for the 4 ball. This shot calls for a solid raised v --bridge and finess. Don't shoot it like you're killing snakes; instead, it should be more like kissing your Grandma.

It sounds like I need to do a masse, shooting down towards the cb with the appropriate English. :confused:... so it's not a draw in reality???
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Loren, I take it you didn't look at the link I provided for you. It shows how to aim draw shots to put the cue ball where you want it.
 
Neil said:
Loren, I take it you didn't look at the link I provided for you. It shows how to aim draw shots to put the cue ball where you want it.
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Thank you! Yes. I did! And I believe the answer is there.
Loren
 
JuicyGirl said:
The trick is to elevate to about 45 degrees and play a half --masse shot.
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Masse is way too difficult and unpredictable for this simple shot - use the technique described by Dr. Dave (linked by Neil).

In case Dr. Dave's illustration is a little confusing, here's a simpler illustration of the same technique:

DRAW POSITION.jpg

pj
chgo
 
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For many players of your skill level, it's going to be aiming a little lower on the cue ball and/or hitting more softly. Pounding the cue provides poor results, hitting low and soft should bring the cue ball back to your finger on a full hit every time.

Master this and then move to the 1/3 angled cut shown above...
 
Are you right handed? If so maybe try going from left to right. You might have slightly more success that way. This drill is designed to develop very precise CB control using small cut angles & varying speeds. To do this drill successfully you'll have to constantly be making minute adjustments to the degree of cut & also your speed.

Something that beginners & a lot of intermediate players don' t take into consideration is how speed affects CB direction.
For example (speeds are arbitrary) lets say you shoot the same shot at 3 mph & then at 4 mph & you draw back 10" both times. The CB will end up in a different spot each time. When you hit the ball harder it will move sideways a little farther before it starts coming back. This is one of the techniques that's used in that drill to maintain the correct angle. You can vary the cut angle, vary the speed, or both. Using inside or outside english can also help but I'd put that aside for the moment.

To make it a little clearer let's look at it this way. Let's say on the 2nd ball you end up too straight. Can only cut it a tiny bit, anymore & you'll miss. If you shoot harder that will result in more sideways movement to help get the right angle for the next ball. If the opposite is the case then you hit it easier to minimize sideways movement. Both of these require something you may not be able to do as yet.
Can you shoot the same shot at different speeds but draw it back the same distance? If not, that's something to practice.

This is a difficult drill if you're a beginner. But stick with it awhile. Like a lot of things in pool, if you do it enough times & keep experimenting, then one day all of a sudden things just click & then you're able to do it almost every time. Another arrow in your quiver. If you get to where you can consistently do this drill with 7 or 8 balls you'll find that your overall position play will improve dramatically.

Good Luck
 
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