All Hell break loose?

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7forlife

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To begin, I know that i'm not the guy to start any type of thread on here, but one in a blue if I find something or have some that I would like some feed back on from the two or three people that do actually chip in then bet you bottom dollar that I won't hesitate, but this ish does get to you.

Anywho. With all this new hype around C8B and Joy tables and the pocketing skill of snooker player/these 8ball players aaaand the ever continuing question about aiming system and such. Having looked at this video by one of the greatest pocketers out there today I was wonder if this could be the key towards their success. Regardless of what it is vs what it's not it clearly works for this guy and maybe all the other since they follow the same fundaments, unlike in the US where you can see so many different style, although effective (well cause they're pros and have perfected "their" style).

Pay no mind to the wankers in this vid, especially the 3 that follow the first one since they "after hearing the advice of a pro" still felt like walking up and doing their own thing anyway.
(the title was my impression that this discussion could be up there with the toping on aiming systems)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnAH4GH2BU0&spfreload=10
 
Not sure your point/question is clear in this thread. What exactly are you asking and/or stating? And why is hell breaking loose over Gareth Potts?
 
7forlife said:
To begin, I know that i'm not the guy to start any type of thread on here, but one in a blue if I find something or have some that I would like some feed back on from the two or three people that do actually chip in then bet you bottom dollar that I won't hesitate, but this ish does get to you.

Anywho. With all this new hype around C8B and Joy tables and the pocketing skill of snooker player/these 8ball players aaaand the ever continuing question about aiming system and such. Having looked at this video by one of the greatest pocketers out there today I was wonder if this could be the key towards their success. Regardless of what it is vs what it's not it clearly works for this guy and maybe all the other since they follow the same fundaments, unlike in the US where you can see so many different style, although effective (well cause they're pros and have perfected "their" style).

Pay no mind to the wankers in this vid, especially the 3 that follow the first one since they "after hearing the advice of a pro" still felt like walking up and doing their own thing anyway.
(the title was my impression that this discussion could be up there with the toping on aiming systems)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnAH4GH2BU0&spfreload=10
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I think a lot of it has to do with what or who a player is exposed to while they're learning. I think in the past, to be successful at pool, meant you had to have personality and character, and your own sense of style and flare. Pool was more about self-expression and more art than sport. I think it was about a person putting themselves up, and trying to prove their worth.

I think with the internet, people are now less isolated. Anything you could want to know, or watch, or observe is available. Pool around the world, is now more a sport, and is now more treated as such. I think we can already see, that being unorthodox is generally discouraged, and if you do the research, there will generally be commonalities for "best practices".

Also, unless you have a regular instructor, who coordinates your tables time, and watches, and tells you what to do, if you're self-taught, pool is a somewhat personal thing. It's you and a table for countless hours, figuring things out for yourself. It's hard to willingly change stuff, that you took so long to figure out and "master", and have someone come along, watch you for two seconds, and tell you to change a lifetime habit. I find you're also asking them to change a habit, that took hours and hours of table time, to develop at a somewhat slow pace, and you expect them to change it before you start your next sentence. It seems like it could be a bit overwhelming.

As for the people in the video, I feel like they aren't actual players. Most of it looks like completely new information to them. They've got none of it figure out and none of it is good. So you're asking a baby, who can barely stand, to walk or run. Of course they're going to crawl. Now if you have a more experienced player with good fundamentals, I can see them being able to make an adjustment, or at the very least understanding what is being asked of them.
 
well put tony, thanks for chiming in.
Do you think that overseas that more players are coached in the mechanics of pool vs the US? In the US it has been for years a "whatever you're comfortable with as long as" and many of the teacher at the time we teaching how "they did it or do it", but one can see and say that there is a common sight with recent players from europe and asia as far as mechanics goes. So to answer your question Pleu the one that i thought was obvious. is

could the practices of say the snooker players be the reason why they are such effective at pocketing balls. Also I fittingly mentioned what I titled it "hell breaking loose"
 
7forlife said:
well put tony, thanks for chiming in.
Do you think that overseas that more players are coached in the mechanics of pool vs the US? In the US it has been for years a "whatever you're comfortable with as long as" and many of the teacher at the time we teaching how "they did it or do it", but one can see and say that there is a common sight with recent players from europe and asia as far as mechanics goes. So to answer your question Pleu the one that i thought was obvious. is

could the practices of say the snooker players be the reason why they are such effective at pocketing balls. Also I fittingly mentioned what I titled it "hell breaking loose"
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The video is stressing the mechanix of snooker, not pool, and while they are probably very good for pool there are so many good pool players that it proves to be unnecessary really. Good snooker players are very good potters, but I think that is due to the tightness of the pockets, which demands more accuracy than pool tables do.
 
Renegade, would that go to say that a player "american" who has grown up only "for the most part" playing on tight pocket tables would also for the most part be an excellent potter or have the same appearance as the snooker player? Making the dominant factor look and play the way they do is due to condition for the most part?
 
7forlife said:
Renegade, would that go to say that a player "american" who has grown up only "for the most part" playing on tight pocket tables would also for the most part be an excellent potter or have the same appearance as the snooker player? Making the dominant factor look and play the way they do is due to condition for the most part?
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not really, just pointing out that this particular guy is stressing snooker type fundamentals,,,,,,,,,,as well as the fact that snooker players grow up shooting at smaller targets, therefore the ones that make a name for themselves as pros are generally more accurate at potting balls than American pros.
 
Everyone in the world can have the same fundamentals. Doesn't mean they will be a better shooter. Pool is about vision. Seeing shots and layouts better than the next guy. Just because two guys have the exact same delivery system does not mean they will shoot the same. How many great Snooker players are there? What are their potting averages? Top american pros shoot over.900 and that's playing position on balls anywhere on the table. Not in a cluster. 14.1 guys run 200 straight shots without missing. Yes on fairly tight and sometimes unforgiving pockets that have points at the opening.
 
jburkm002 said:
Everyone in the world can have the same fundamentals. Doesn't mean they will be a better shooter. Pool is about vision. Seeing shots and layouts better than the next guy. Just because two guys have the exact same delivery system does not mean they will shoot the same. How many great Snooker players are there? What are their potting averages? Top american pros shoot over.900 and that's playing position on balls anywhere on the table. Not in a cluster. 14.1 guys run 200 straight shots without missing. Yes on fairly tight and sometimes unforgiving pockets that have points at the opening.
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The points are your friend, the snooker bends defy every close attempt.

Snooker is a harder game than most pool games, especially 9 ball.

Do you not think Ronnie Osullivan plays position when he shoots 147s?
 
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