The rules n basketball state that the other team gets the ball at their end of the court after every field goal.
The rules in pool state that the current player gets to continue shooting until they miss or until they commit a foul.
Alternating Break Poll
- Thread starter Willowbrook Wolfy
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The rules in pool state that the current player gets to continue shooting until they miss or until they commit a foul.
i want to see both players playing and not one running over the other with him just sitting in the chair.
alternate breaks help keep the score closer to even so the suspense is higher.
the answer isnt so much as who breaks as it is how strong do we want the break to be in deciding the outcome.
alternate breaks help keep the score closer to even so the suspense is higher.
the answer isnt so much as who breaks as it is how strong do we want the break to be in deciding the outcome.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
I deleted my last one but haven’t thought to play loser breaks in a long time. That could get interesting!
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(only cause I like Bob and his insights into the game)
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boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
You mean it's not normal to get ran over all the time? I need to find some friends who are worse at pool!
I like it because they do help me with things and seeing how and why they play better does help improve my game. The frustrating part is that as I go up and get a bit better so have they so they still beat my brains in! 
But then I match up with someone who used to beat my brains in but hasn't taken pool as seriously and I can now beat them.Heck I went for about a couple months of barely ever getting a shot and it helped me develop my kicking game. Once I started kicking the wings of of gnats then they started leaving me different types of difficult shots. The dicks!
It's frustrating but you have to figure out why you keep getting beat and figure out what skills to develop to not get beat as often.I'm just talking in general, not about your game that night though. It's kind of funny because with most players, if they see a weakness they will leave you that shot all the time. The jerks just want BIH for some reason.
I hate it at any level, but have to admit that I don’t hate it as much as I used to.
tomatoshooter
Well-known member
So the justification is the rule. And the rule is justified by what? Itself? For that matter, except for 14.1, the official rules make no mention of what happens after the individual game is won. If you don't like alienate break, that's your prerogative, but your opinion is based on what you like, not the decree of some higher being.
tomatoshooter
Well-known member
I don't mind facing stronger players but I need to at least get some shots in. I don't need to be a favorite to win but I need some possibility to win. I think there's a certain skill gap that, once exceeded, the lower skilled player benefits less.You mean it's not normal to get ran over all the time? I need to find some friends who are worse at pool!
Heck I went for about a couple months of barely ever getting a shot and it helped me develop my kicking game. Once I started kicking the wings of of gnats then they started leaving me different types of difficult shots. The dicks!
I'm just talking in general, not about your game that night though. It's kind of funny because with most players, if they see a weakness they will leave you that shot all the time. The jerks just want BIH for some reason.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
My gap is it I make one mistake I lose. It's like playing the ghost. But, it does serve you well to go to a random tournament and play your regular game. Hell, I got BIH twice in the last tournament I was in! That isn't even a possibility. If 3 foul was in play I'd have used it.
But then it gets to where I get 2 BIH on them and they start practicing and upping their game. Steel sharpens steel. If you clash with the best/serious it will bring out the best in you and them. It takes real focus to beat a better player, practicing focus is the best practice session you can have. Perfect practice makes perfect. I bet a filipino player could make a ball with a chicken on the table and land the CB on the chicken's middle claw...
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You are 100% correct regarding the rules of 9 Ball. This, however, has zero impact on any argument for either winner breaks or alternate breaks. Claiming that it does is actually extremely odd - either dumb or devoid of logic and/or both.
Please come up with an actual argument. Or just say that you prefer winner breaks.
Your innings ends when you pocket the 9 ball. Who starts the next rack ("innings" if you like) has nothing to do with your innings, it's actually determined by whether you are playing winner breaks or alternate breaks.This
I prefer winner breaks .
That’s kind of the point, there is no “format” nor “alternating breaks” in 9 ball. It’s just a bastardized version of the game created by others. If the break is such an issue as to needing to change the game “so everyone gets a turn” then play 15 ball rotation.
Understood. Now quit talking hogwash.
Why?
i dont play tennis or ping pong.
against a good player you end up just chasing the balls after they hit a hard shot at you. so they arent popular.
pool is like that if playing a too good player. you sit in the chair while he plays. that's why one pocket has taken over, you get to shoot.
nine ball players want to make it even worse for the bad players which cant win whatever you do or give them.
against a good player you end up just chasing the balls after they hit a hard shot at you. so they arent popular.
pool is like that if playing a too good player. you sit in the chair while he plays. that's why one pocket has taken over, you get to shoot.
nine ball players want to make it even worse for the bad players which cant win whatever you do or give them.
Lets see... If winner breaks favours the stronger player, then I think alt break must increase the odds of success for the weaker player..
...and I haven't even stayed an Express View recently....lol
Generally speaking as a decent amateur player. I prefer winner break. However as a deadmoney Open tourney player, I would prefer alt break at that level. Can anyone guess why...?
I'm a broken record at this point, but the Predator 10b tour has what is the closest thing to the best pro format going. They just need to enorce winner break within sets, alt break across sets, and utilize a "2 racks ahead" tie break in the last set rather than the shoot out.
...and I haven't even stayed an Express View recently....lol
Generally speaking as a decent amateur player. I prefer winner break. However as a deadmoney Open tourney player, I would prefer alt break at that level. Can anyone guess why...?
I'm a broken record at this point, but the Predator 10b tour has what is the closest thing to the best pro format going. They just need to enorce winner break within sets, alt break across sets, and utilize a "2 racks ahead" tie break in the last set rather than the shoot out.
dquarasr
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These stats should shed some light on at least the >700 category. I suspect the numbers cascade downward but less so:
Breaker won the game:
Match winners -- 65% (170 of 262)
Match losers -- 36% (57 of 160)
Total -- 54% (227 of 422)
Break-and-run games on all breaks:
Match winners -- 26% (67 of 262)
Match losers -- 14% (23 of 160)
Total -- 21% (90 of 422)
(Source: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...ol-championship-9-ball-september-2023.557629/)
I am sure the stat of match winners being at 65% (breaker won the game) has something to do with momentum, and the pressure someone in their chair feels when they get down multiple racks. A stat that would be interesting would be the percentage of break-and-run games and its relation to match winners when already down 2 or more racks would answer conclusively whether the big mo' is really a thing.
So I'd say that above 500 it slightly favors the better player, below 500 it's irrelevant. But I'd like more stats which I don't think are available.
BTW, @Willowbrook Wolfy, we can't answer both the >500 and <500 questions since the poll only allows us to choose only one of the four selections. Seems as though there are two polls here. You'd have to allow more than one answer in your poll.
Breaker won the game:
Match winners -- 65% (170 of 262)
Match losers -- 36% (57 of 160)
Total -- 54% (227 of 422)
Break-and-run games on all breaks:
Match winners -- 26% (67 of 262)
Match losers -- 14% (23 of 160)
Total -- 21% (90 of 422)
(Source: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...ol-championship-9-ball-september-2023.557629/)
I am sure the stat of match winners being at 65% (breaker won the game) has something to do with momentum, and the pressure someone in their chair feels when they get down multiple racks. A stat that would be interesting would be the percentage of break-and-run games and its relation to match winners when already down 2 or more racks would answer conclusively whether the big mo' is really a thing.
So I'd say that above 500 it slightly favors the better player, below 500 it's irrelevant. But I'd like more stats which I don't think are available.
BTW, @Willowbrook Wolfy, we can't answer both the >500 and <500 questions since the poll only allows us to choose only one of the four selections. Seems as though there are two polls here. You'd have to allow more than one answer in your poll.
I believe the intent was to have you choose either yes/no and do so by also identifying your own personally ability.
Personally I think the cut off should have been +/-600 rather than 500, but it's not my poll. I'm thinking the cut off should be at a point where the player has closer to definitive break-run ability