American Pool ... What About Some Amateur / Professional Collaboration?

sunnyone

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(Part Two of Three. Almost Finished!)

Dear Gentle Readers,

Because I’ve never actually attended a major pool event, the following is my least-informed foray into the ever-nebulous Pool Suggestions Marketplace.

So, please forgive me for being a bit wobbly on the logistics -- room layouts, scheduling, promoter constraints, personality conflicts, interaction potential, etc.

Nevertheless … Full Steam Ahead!

What, then, could an amateur / pro mashup look like?

Could our ‘success side’ (amateurs) somehow champion more professional cross-involvement? In a more assertive way? In a more positive way?

Hmm … let’s imagine a modest insertion of professional players into a major amateur event. (I’m vaguely aware that this wouldn’t be an instant-easy. Apparently, most league players have no idea who most professionals are. And many of them don’t have much interest in learning any more on the subject. Dudus Americanus!)

Nevertheless, let’s imagine a couple of charm-imbued players -- say, a Vivian and an Alex. Yes, I realize Alex isn’t an American, but what a terrific ambassador to that League of Amateurs he could be!

For my dimly-conceived outreach campaign, I could envision how the two of them could attend, tag-team, charm a Las Vegas amateur crowd. They could quite possibly enliven some grassroots interest in the professional game. (The most effective -- affective? -- effective marketing communications campaigns are, so very often, via word-of-mouth.)

So ... at this particular amateur extravaganza, we could start with a few dedicated professional exhibitions ... pre-publicized, appropriately scheduled and well-spotlighted.

Demonstrations. Q & A. Ad hoc lessons. Work-the-room. A friendly process that would inform and animate.

All of the above would be organized not to interfere with any amateur matches. Perhaps these pro events could be scheduled in a dedicated room.

To add seasoning to the gumbo, let’s include some giveaways to the amateurs ... free vids of rousing professional matches for the participants to take home. Signed posters. Tees.

Let’s not stop there …

Free brunches with winning amateur teams. Free beer busts. (Any savvy editor will tell you how ‘Free Beer’ in her headline will generate the most readers. I think they may teach it in J-School!)

Since, on the non-professional side, we’re discussing Generation Internet, let’s incorporate candid pics, group photos and brief videos which feature these kids interacting with pro players.

And then let’s e-distribute all of it back to these amateurs visiting from around the country. Let’s include links to professional social media, pool forums, blogs, etc.

Further … here’s a public relations idea that wouldn’t cost much and should be relatively easy to accomplish. Start with the above visual media. Add the tournament results and a few pithy quotes from both sides. Then send the edited packages to the local media in the hometowns of the top-placing amateurs.

Executed adroitly, there should be some extensive and positive local and regional coverage.

All of the above suggestions are, of course, obvious invitations for you to explain to me why any and all of this can’t work. And, okay, maybe you’re right!

But, with a friendly -- the bong is half full! -- spirit, the concept ... top pros interfacing with today’s amateurs ... perhaps there is an idea-starter lurking somewhere in there? Anywhere in there?

Friendly professionals, using their talent, employing their charisma, inspiring players several levels below them … well … it could help. Maybe.

One key? The pros have to be genuinely enthusiastic about aiding and abetting the future of pool … involving more amateurs, encouraging younger players, inviting more exposure … well, you know the drill.

Since I seem unable to dismount from this particular rant -- that our pros could crochet something positive into the tapestry of American pool -- let’s further imagine our savviest professional players cooperating -- more positively than they do now -- with:

> Promoters / manufacturers (who -- let’s celebrate it! -- underwrite events, pay the cash, enable the streams, make possible the DVDs and memorialize the historical records),

> Streamers, free and paid, (who deliver the extra exposure),

> Pool forums / social media sites (who provide additional coverage to the already-existing and the someday-to-be-there cadre of fans),

> Booth commentators. (Don’t underestimate the passions of stream viewers and chat-roomers!).

Example?

I remember, with affection, a weekend Kolby’s Corner stream — where in the chat room — Scott F. was answering questions from the great unwashed. (Okay: literary license. I bathe daily. Often more often!)

I typed ‘who is the best one-pocket player?’ He responded, in his made-for-commentary manner, ‘Efren.’ The Freezer listed himself in second place, then named three others. (One of whom, if memory serves, was incarcerated.)

It was -- even given the modest audience numbers -- rather electrifying to me. Why? It was live, it was candid and it involved a great player. Responding to a mere doofus. Pretty nifty!

Meager point? I was so positively impressed that I posted that particular Freezer interchange to the one-pocket forum. And sent it to a few chums. The process can, indeed, pay it forward. As my dad’s favorite Chicago philosopher, the Word Jazz impresario, noted, “It feeds upon itself and of itself is fed.” (I hope I remember that quote correctly!)

Rough translation: a delicious story circulates, gathers momentum and … well, you get the drift!

In addition to an increased and more positive professional involvement in the overall world of pool, what are some other possible success-generators? Let me start ...

I dunno!

Although I would guess an acknowledgement from the current American professional congregation that whatever they’re doing isn’t working so well. Isn’t very successful. For most players. On a variety of echelons.

Perhaps they could consider a new orientation? A reassessment of the current management team? New leadership who might contemplate a revitalized role of more active engagement with all levels of the pool hierarchy?

Last meager point … if national media are interested in boxcar numbers, and if our only freight cars rest in amateur railroad sidings ...

Never mind!

Once again I’ve lost my train of thought!

Or, mayhaps, I haven’t. I guess we could continue this meager thread in Part Three, my final mumble in this quixotic rumble.

Stretching analogies is my life,

Sunny
 
First and foremost, the players will want to know how much you are going to pay them. It's a dog eat dog world in pool.

If you want to even talk to a good pool player, here are the things to ask, so they can talk to you:

"Ring game?"

"How much a set?"

"What are you going to give me?"

"Cheap sets?"


Any of the questions I mentioned above will get a pro to play with you. Good luck thinking they will play amateurs. That's the nature of the game and any pool hall with a house pro.
 
It was pointed out that at one point, the US Amateurs was in the same building as a major pro event,
at the same time, and whose heart wasn't warmed seeing Shane play with upcoming youths like April Larson?

From what I've seen, pros have tunnel vision on how to turn their talent into cash,
mostly tournaments and lessons.

But why not some interaction with amateurs, especially amateurs who are young enough that
mom and dad pay for everything? Pool camp or some other form of group lessons,
amateur/pro scotch doubles tournaments, some collaboration with APA/BCA where a pro
can sub in on league night. How about a day where the pro accepts challenges only from under a certain age
(under 18? 17?) and you pay 5 bucks a pop to try to win a single rack of 8 or 9 ball.
When someone finally does win they take some or all of the money that's accumulated up to that point.
If the pro goes undefeated for the day he can keep it all?

Also there's an ask-the-pro forum that hardly gets used, but I think there might be some profit
in a pro making himself available to do a live chat, and taking questions, sort of like TAR's podcasts.
The catch? He will answer (almost) anything with little filtering.
 
It was pointed out that at one point, the US Amateurs was in the same building as a major pro event,
at the same time, and whose heart wasn't warmed seeing Shane play with upcoming youths like April Larson?

From what I've seen, pros have tunnel vision on how to turn their talent into cash,
mostly tournaments and lessons.

But why not some interaction with amateurs, especially amateurs who are young enough that
mom and dad pay for everything? Pool camp or some other form of group lessons,
amateur/pro scotch doubles tournaments, some collaboration with APA/BCA where a pro
can sub in on league night. How about a day where the pro accepts challenges only from under a certain age
(under 18? 17?) and you pay 5 bucks a pop to try to win a single rack of 8 or 9 ball.
When someone finally does win they take some or all of the money that's accumulated up to that point.
If the pro goes undefeated for the day he can keep it all?

Also there's an ask-the-pro forum that hardly gets used, but I think there might be some profit
in a pro making himself available to do a live chat, and taking questions, sort of like TAR's podcasts.
The catch? He will answer (almost) anything with little filtering.

Like I said, you have to pay to play.

I've notice that pro players don't want to waste every second on a pool table if it wasn't for money and practicing. Every time they play a game it equals dollar signs. The saying is time is money, well, playing a game is money. They just wasted 5 games with this kid where they could have taken that 5 games and win some money.

We all have friends like that. If you invite them to play pool, there better be money on every game or set. If not, they consider it a waste of time playing with you. I have one friend that loves the game so much that he can play me 3 hours straight. The rest of them? Money has to be on the line.
 
Pro Ams

I am brand new to pool, never played in a tournament, never been to a tournament, my experience is limited to some bar pool usually playing doubles with a friend or girlfriend. I have always dreamt of having a pool table in my house and finally building the house and the pool room. I found this forum and it has been invaluable in learning about tables, mechanics, etc. I've watched a couple of streams and really enjoyed the pool and commentary at TAR, Accustats, and US Open (minus the mc at US Open). I think the idea of amateur participation is a good one. In only three sports/games can you actually play with the pros if you have money: golf, poker, and maybe pool. Why not run pro-ams? I think a day prior to a tournament I would love to spend some money to play in a doubles tournament with one of the pros. In golf the going pro-am rate is between 5-20K depending on the tournament and the pro you are playing with. While some tour pros dislike pro-ams the majority realize where their bread is buttered and enjoy a round with the amateurs. They are kind, funny, do a fair bit of coaching and make an amateur feel like god for a day. I think this is something I would be interested in paying a few hundred dollars for in pool. The money goes to the pros team that wins and the amateur partner gets the experience and a cheap trophy signed for his/her pool room at home.

Once again, new to the game so if this has been done before and failed - please ignore. Thanks for all the info about the game and the equipment - looking forward to a GCIII installed by Jay of A1 billiards in a few weeks - so hope to meet some of you someday.

Thanks John (pool newbie)
 
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