Andy cloth

[ChrisinNC]

I play in a room that recently had 2 of its tables covered in Andy’s Pro Cloth. I also play occasionally at Hard Times. I also own a table with Simonis cloth. So I have the opportunity to compare them
Side by side constantly. I can attest that the Andy’s cloth plays slippery. I compare it more to 860 HR although I can’t compare those side by side. In the room I play, the tables with Andy’s run faster. They also appear to wear quicker. Can’t tell after 6 months that they are recently re-covered other than the slight color difference between the Andy’s and the Simonis. When they were newly covered the Andy’s was a darker Green and has since faded substantially and like a previous post mentioned appear to get dirty much much more rapidly.

I prefer Simonis 860 to all other worsted cloth. Including 860 HR. It provided the happy medium and predictability.

Also, addressing the issue of “standards”...I believe Simonis is and has been the standard for a long time now and I believe it should remain as such till the “industry” adopts something else and not just because of price. Pockets, angles, rail height, table height etc should all be standard in the billiards industry. Let the player choose there own playing equipment (whiten a specification) and leave the playing surfaces benchmarked. That will leave the game as consistent as possible.

I mean we don’t change the size of a baseball or the size of the golf hole or the height of a tennis net so why do we allow variables on pool tables?


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Just curious why you prefer Simonis 860 over 860 HR? I thought Simonis touted the 860 HR (high resistance) as a true hybrid - their best and most durable cloth. Seems like I was told the HR version of 860 significantly lessens the appearance of burn marks and breaking tracks/lines as compared to the regular 860?

 

[Johnnybgood]

Just curious why you prefer Simonis 860 over 860 HR? I thought Simonis touted the 860 HR (high resistance) as a true hybrid - their best and most durable cloth. Seems like I was told the HR version of 860 significantly lessens the appearance of burn marks and breaking tracks/lines as compared to the regular 860?

You are correct it does lessen the burn marks. I recovered one table with it at a resort we frequent. I did so knowing the types of players it would attract and for its wear characteristics.

I am told that the Simonis 860 HR in “tournament blue” is the only color that is Highly Resistant to burn marks and wear due to the type of dye used.

Personally and it is a personal choice and a choice I think most would agree upon, I believe it still plays the best and most consistent. The Simonis is a hybrid by nature. They just have varying degrees of wool and nylon. You can read on the Simonis web site and also read many threads in the forum regarding it. Like the Andy’s cloth the 860 HR is slippery. I personally don’t like cloths that make you change your stroke to compensate for cloth. As it is as the clothes wear you need to adjust. When I say adjust I am not necessarily talking about center ball hits or shot right into the pocket. Those types of shots are not really the issue. I am talking about draw and English when a ball contacts a rail and the speed and or effect of English once a ball hits the rail. Mainly the cue ball but it effects the object ball also.

All this said it wouldn’t prevent me from playing a particular cloth but, it would provide aggravation during the adjustment period.

Hope this answers some of your questions.


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