Another 147 for Ronnie

smashmouth said:
two Stephen Hendry quotes from earlier today,

"His all-round game is the best I've ever played against"

""He's the best player in the world by a country mile."

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Worried Beef I really worry about your pool and snooker knowledge but I like your enthusiasm! ;)

People like Ronnie are said to have natural ability because of the speed they mastered the game, Ronnie broke all the age records in the game when he came through and he was known about for a long time. When he turned pro he didn't take a few years to settle in, he won his first 50(?) odd matches in the qualifiers!

He also plays left and right handed at a very high level, he's made 3 147's at the crucible now and made more than anyone. This despite the fact that a master break builder like hendry (the best break builder ever?) has had a much longer career probably playing hundred more matches than Ronnie given th amount of latter stages he reached.

But don't take my word for it, just watch what he did to Hendry yesterday and read Hendrys comments.

Ronnie can't compete with Hendry or Davis when it comes to tournament winning Snooker because his mental game has been so weak. But he cleary has more natural ability than them both and I'd bet they'd both tell you that themselves.
 
TheOne said:
Worried Beef I really worry about your pool and snooker knowledge but I like your enthusiasm!

People like Ronnie are said to have natural ability because of the speed they mastered the game, Ronnie broke all the age records in the game when he came through and he was known about for a long time. When he turned pro he didn't take a few years to settle in, he won his first 50(?) odd matches in the qualifiers!

He also plays left and right handed at a very high level, he's made 3 147's at the crucible now and made more than anyone. This despite the fact that a master break builder like hendry (the best break builder ever?) has had a much longer career probably playing hundred more matches than Ronnie given th amount of latter stages he reached.

But don't take my word for it, just watch what he did to Hendry yesterday and read Hendrys comments.

Ronnie can't compete with Hendry or Davis when it comes to tournament winning Snooker because his mental game has been so weak. But he cleary has more natural ability than them both and I'd bet they'd both tell you that themselves.
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i'm not disputing he is an absolutely fantastic player, and definitely one of the all time greats, who's break building is absolutely wonderful . i just have a hard time getting my head around the fact he is head and shoulders above anybody else in the game by a mile, as plenty would have you believe. i just don't see that.

as for the likes of hendry coming out with that himself, it would probably explain why he got crushed in the second session. psychologically he was beaten and intimidated. if hendry still had his fearless mindset who feared no-one and was intimidated by no-one like ronnie is at the moment, we might have had a real classic encounter, rather than the embarrassing drubbing ronnie gave hendry yesterday.

once again i am not disputing the fact ronnie is a great. but where he has such an advantage over his peers atm is his mental game. he is so full of confidence it's ridiculous. and it just keeps growing and growing and building too. every few time you see snooker in the newspaper, 'genius o'sullivan' will always be the headline. all the tv coverage focuses on his 'outrageous natural talent'. and when arguably the greatest player ever seems quaking in his boots missing blacks off the spot saying and thinking things like 'ronnie is the greatest player i've ever played against' and the best to pick up a cue, it really isn't any surprise hendry got his ass handed to him. ronnie is just going from strength to strength feeding off everybody's fear and awe of him.

i believe what i've said is backed up by ronnie at the table. do you ever, ever really get the impression ronie's mental game is not 100%? he's just NEVER rattled anymore and that's the real scary thing about his game, and why his playing far better than he has ever done before.
 
worriedbeef said:
i'm not disputing he is an absolutely fantastic player, and definitely one of the all time greats, who's break building is absolutely wonderful . i just have a hard time getting my head around the fact he is head and shoulders above anybody else in the game by a mile, as plenty would have you believe. i just don't see that.

as for the likes of hendry coming out with that himself, it would probably explain why he got crushed in the second session. psychologically he was beaten and intimidated. if hendry still had his fearless mindset who feared no-one and was intimidated by no-one like ronnie is at the moment, we might have had a real classic encounter, rather than the embarrassing drubbing ronnie gave hendry yesterday.

once again i am not disputing the fact ronnie is a great. but where he has such an advantage over his peers atm is his mental game. he is so full of confidence it's ridiculous. and it just keeps growing and growing and building too. every few time you see snooker in the newspaper, 'genius o'sullivan' will always be the headline. all the tv coverage focuses on his 'outrageous natural talent'. and when arguably the greatest player ever seems quaking in his boots missing blacks off the spot saying and thinking things like 'ronnie is the greatest player i've ever played against' and the best to pick up a cue, it really isn't any surprise hendry got his ass handed to him. ronnie is just going from strength to strength feeding off everybody's fear and awe of him.

i believe what i've said is backed up by ronnie at the table. do you ever, ever really get the impression ronie's mental game is not 100%? he's just NEVER rattled anymore and that's the real scary thing about his game, and why his playing far better than he has ever done before.
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If a player got 3 bad rolls in a row in the last frame of a tournament I'd still take Hendry everytime to hold it together and go on to win the frame! :D

Hendry lost the match in the 1st session, Ronnie was aweful and Hendry should have been at least 6:2 up!

I don't think Hendry doubted for a second that he could beat Ronnie, even ten frames down. Seriously you shouldn't doubt Hendrys mental abilty, his words came afterwards and I don't believe this is why he lost the match. He simply realised that even in his prime he wouldn't have beaten Ronnie yesterday. It doesn't matter how good your belief is, if you aren't getting chances you can't win.

Note that he also said that was the greatest "safety" he'd EVER played against, a lot of people missed this in Ronnies play yesterday.

Ronnie also beat Stephen several times in his prime remember, when ROnnie was very young.
 
worriedbeef said:
but where he has such an advantage over his peers is his mental game. .
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Do you really watch snooker or do you just pick up some BBC coverage once a year of the world's?

Ronnie's mental game has held him back his entire career, he acknowledges this himself, as does everyone else, do you even know his history?

Every top pro concedes that he is the most gifted, most talented player ever, what makes you think you know more than them?

google is your friend
 
Do you really watch snooker or do you just pick up some BBC coverage once a year of the world's?
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lmao i watch it all the time and i've probably seen a hell of a lot more of the game than you. i stand by what i said about his mental strengths. there are many elements to the mental side of the game and it's not all about desire and determination, which is probably the aspect of hendry's mental game that has stood him in such stead for so many years. Ronnie is absolutely fearless and completely relaxed, that's what makes him so good in my opinion. He just knows he's going to win when he goes into a match. It's hard to play anyone with that kind of attitude!

Stephen said himself after his loss that that's the best standard he has ever played against. And that he is capable of playing like that in practice, but at the moment he's not bringing it to matches. Which highlights my point completely. Ronnie is playing the game at the moment pretty much as good as it has ever been played and likely ever will be, but he's not superhuman! The likes of Hendry also posess the capability to match it as he acknowledged, but there's such an aura around ronnie nowadays with every man and his dog practically proclaiming him as the son of god on the snooker table that so many players are psychologically beaten from the start because they go into a match thinking about how much better ronnie is than them!!

Any sport, cue sports especially have such a psychological element to them, and this is the area that i really will take my hat off to ronnie for, because he really has mastered it.
 
I think Ronnie could be the most talented player ever with Alex and JW close behind. I am not sure if his gear is higher than Hendry's in the early 90's though. I watched all those matches and Hendry could fall into that high gear and maintain it for a long time. It is a good debate though. I thought the way Hendry was playing it would be a lot closer but Ronnie was on fire and sometimes you just run into a guy like that because it is his year. I don't see the final being close. I had bet on Mark Allen to beat Hendry in the first round, first time I ever bet against Hendry.
 
carter made the best and worst shots of the tournament in the first frame alone
 
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