Any fellow NAPA players?

fathomblue

Rusty Shackleford
Silver Member
Curious as to who else in here plays NAPA. Until last week, I had been playing in 3 sessions per week, since joining in early February. My very first career session just ended, so I still have 2 going per week, but I'll be wrapping up another very soon. At that point, I'll be obviously down to 1, which will allow me a bit more practice time. I plan on hitting it hard again in the Fall.

I just finished up the "14 Days: The Great Pool Experiment" with Tor Lowry recently. After continuing to play a bit inconsistently, Tor advised that I cut back on league play and focus more on the practice that it will require to execute all of the newly taught knowledge I have swimming in my head. I absolutely agree with him. I already see certain shots much better bad have been able to execute, which has opened up my game.

Some NAPA observations:

1.) The website is amazing. It's chockful of stats and updated within 24 hours of completing a match. That's very important to me. However, I'm a stat junkie and pretty obsessive compulsive in a competitive nature. This isn't necessarily a positive thing. I find myself looking at standings/stats all the time. Tying to figure out what I need to move myself up the rankings in every category. This has really put a lot of unnecessary pressure on myself.....instead of just having fun. That's MY fault. Definitely not NAPA's.

2.) I'm astonished that bar bangers have adopted the BIH format without much resistance. I'm really surprised, yet pleased by this.

3.) Every NAPA location I play in is a smoking establishment. That's unfortunate. :(

4.) I have a great League Owner/Operator. I've only heard one single complaint, but after everything had been explained to the player, they seem satisfied. It was more of a misunderstanding than anything else.

5.) The rating/handicap system seems to be pretty fair. I play a lot more 8B in this league as compared to 9B or 10B. I started off as a 70 in each. My high is an 85 in 8B, and as of tonight, I'm sitting on 81. My rating has started to level off, which is good and bad. It's good that I know where I'm at. It's bad, because I thought it would be in the low 90's or so. My initial ratings goal was to hit 101 in 8B. I have a ways to go, but I guess that's why they call it a goal. I've only played 2 sets of 9B and 1 of 10B, so I don't have much of a record to speak of there.

6.) This league has brought out more passion and emotion than the other organization I play in. The other is generally filled with more serious players. We observe pool etiquette for the most part, so things stay quiet. In NAPA I'm dealing with a lot more casual players. Most don't understand strict etiquette, so there's a lot more chatter, unintentional and intentional sharking. I actually find myself more nervous during NAPA matches, as I'm attempting to fade more of the environment around me. I hope that my increased mental toughness carries over into the other league.

7.) Even tho I'm only a player in the 80's, I tend to be one of the bigger fish in the sea. That's a far cry from the other league, where I have guys who can give me the 6. I've found that it's pretty tough to overcome a 6-2 or 7-3 race. It makes for dicey match-ups when you play a decent ball pocketer, as most tables play loose. Many have figured out how to slow-roll virtually every shot, even if they don't know how to play shape. So, if the balls are laying just right, you might run into a 39-rated player who gets out by running 6-7 balls, even 75% of their shots are harder than they should have been. See below.....

8.) I'd love to get the casual/bar bangers on a Diamond or anything with pockets under 4.75". That would really be a shocker for most of them. Not to mention if it was a big track or even an 8-footer. I know the name of the game is to win, but I generally try to shoot the right shot in the right manner, as I'm trying to improve as a player. Most of the casual players simply want to win.

That may be difficult to explain, but I try to run the correct patterns and move the CB around like it needs to be. So, I actually let my stroke out a bit here and there, which causes me to jaw a ball at times, even tho the pockets are big. The more experienced, yet casual player will slow roll the CB to ensure making the shot, but leave themselves tough. Sometimes they get out, sometimes they don't. I guess I treat it as a competitive practice session, if that makes any sense. I could probably win a bit more, if I played differently, but I think it might stunt my growth as a player. If I had more time, I'd practice more often and not have to treat league night like that, but I don't have a table at home.

9.) Even tho they've taken to BIH rules, when league is over.....the room immediately reverts back to "bar rules" in some locations. Frustrating. I play along, but honestly don't enjoy it. Table time beats no table time, however.

10.) NAPA league IS fun AND affordable. I'm currently under a pretty tight budget, so what little bit extra I do have goes to playing in this league and thankfully it's not much.


Anyone else have any NAPA musings?
 

lorider

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Curious as to who else in here plays NAPA. Until last week, I had been playing in 3 sessions per week, since joining in early February. My very first career session just ended, so I still have 2 going per week, but I'll be wrapping up another very soon. At that point, I'll be obviously down to 1, which will allow me a bit more practice time. I plan on hitting it hard again in the Fall.

I just finished up the "14 Days: The Great Pool Experiment" with Tor Lowry recently. After continuing to play a bit inconsistently, Tor advised that I cut back on league play and focus more on the practice that it will require to execute all of the newly taught knowledge I have swimming in my head. I absolutely agree with him. I already see certain shots much better bad have been able to execute, which has opened up my game.

Some NAPA observations:

1.) The website is amazing. It's chockful of stats and updated within 24 hours of completing a match. That's very important to me. However, I'm a stat junkie and pretty obsessive compulsive in a competitive nature. This isn't necessarily a positive thing. I find myself looking at standings/stats all the time. Tying to figure out what I need to move myself up the rankings in every category. This has really put a lot of unnecessary pressure on myself.....instead of just having fun. That's MY fault. Definitely not NAPA's.

2.) I'm astonished that bar bangers have adopted the BIH format without much resistance. I'm really surprised, yet pleased by this.

3.) Every NAPA location I play in is a smoking establishment. That's unfortunate. :(

4.) I have a great League Owner/Operator. I've only heard one single complaint, but after everything had been explained to the player, they seem satisfied. It was more of a misunderstanding than anything else.

5.) The rating/handicap system seems to be pretty fair. I play a lot more 8B in this league as compared to 9B or 10B. I started off as a 70 in each. My high is an 85 in 8B, and as of tonight, I'm sitting on 81. My rating has started to level off, which is good and bad. It's good that I know where I'm at. It's bad, because I thought it would be in the low 90's or so. My initial ratings goal was to hit 101 in 8B. I have a ways to go, but I guess that's why they call it a goal. I've only played 2 sets of 9B and 1 of 10B, so I don't have much of a record to speak of there.

6.) This league has brought out more passion and emotion than the other organization I play in. The other is generally filled with more serious players. We observe pool etiquette for the most part, so things stay quiet. In NAPA I'm dealing with a lot more casual players. Most don't understand strict etiquette, so there's a lot more chatter, unintentional and intentional sharking. I actually find myself more nervous during NAPA matches, as I'm attempting to fade more of the environment around me. I hope that my increased mental toughness carries over into the other league.

7.) Even tho I'm only a player in the 80's, I tend to be one of the bigger fish in the sea. That's a far cry from the other league, where I have guys who can give me the 6. I've found that it's pretty tough to overcome a 6-2 or 7-3 race. It makes for dicey match-ups when you play a decent ball pocketer, as most tables play loose. Many have figured out how to slow-roll virtually every shot, even if they don't know how to play shape. So, if the balls are laying just right, you might run into a 39-rated player who gets out by running 6-7 balls, even 75% of their shots are harder than they should have been. See below.....

8.) I'd love to get the casual/bar bangers on a Diamond or anything with pockets under 4.75". That would really be a shocker for most of them. Not to mention if it was a big track or even an 8-footer. I know the name of the game is to win, but I generally try to shoot the right shot in the right manner, as I'm trying to improve as a player. Most of the casual players simply want to win.

That may be difficult to explain, but I try to run the correct patterns and move the CB around like it needs to be. So, I actually let my stroke out a bit here and there, which causes me to jaw a ball at times, even tho the pockets are big. The more experienced, yet casual player will slow roll the CB to ensure making the shot, but leave themselves tough. Sometimes they get out, sometimes they don't. I guess I treat it as a competitive practice session, if that makes any sense. I could probably win a bit more, if I played differently, but I think it might stunt my growth as a player. If I had more time, I'd practice more often and not have to treat league night like that, but I don't have a table at home.

9.) Even tho they've taken to BIH rules, when league is over.....the room immediately reverts back to "bar rules" in some locations. Frustrating. I play along, but honestly don't enjoy it. Table time beats no table time, however.

10.) NAPA league IS fun AND affordable. I'm currently under a pretty tight budget, so what little bit extra I do have goes to playing in this league and thankfully it's not much.


Anyone else have any NAPA musings?

i have been playing napa ever since it started up here 2 years ago. it started with just one division and a few months later they started a 2nd. now napa is up to 4 divisions here with talk of adding more. they are finally competing with the stranglehold apa has here. btw i play both apa and napa.

as for your observations

1. yes napa has the broadest and most detailed stats i have ever seen.

2. what are you classifying as bar bangers? players that play on bar tables or players that play in bars by bar rules ?

3. same here. don't bother me as i smoke also .:grin:

4. darn good lo here also. i may be a lil biased though since he is a good friend and also my co captain on an apa team i am captain of.

5 . i agree about the handicap system.

6. my experience is just the opposite. we have a lot of players such as myself that play apa and napa both who are well aware of proper etiquette but there is also a large contingent of high level players who do not play apa or other leagues. what you refer to as serious players.

7. its kinda hard to compare handicaps from one area to another but i will comment on your handicap any way. your handicap is in the 80 s in your area and you are kinda top dog in your league. i am gonna cross reference a bunch of players handicaps in my area in apa vs napa. some napa guys in my area who are from 75-85 are apa 6s and 7s except for one guy who is an 80 and an apa sandbaggin 5 .:grin: although they play pretty sporty they cannot hang with the top dogs in napa here.

8. don't really have a comment on this one

9. when we practice here nobody reverts to bar rules.

10. my thoughts also.

you shoulda come across the street and hung out at the napa nationals during the summer classic in tunica a lil bit last year. would have loved to meet you.
 

lorider

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
128 looks and i am the only reply. guess not too many on here play in the best league going ....in my opinion of course. :wink:
 

krupa

The Dream Operator
Silver Member
I play NAPA and love it. I'm excited to go to Nationals this year.

In my area, the more serious players are in NAPA. That's not to say there aren't serious players in APA but the casual, "I only pick up a cue for league night" players are APA.
 

Lonestar_jim

Two & Out
Silver Member
Not to hi-jack as my answer is no, but granted the format and all sounds great.

I noticed many moons ago that on the NAPA website that there was a L.O. in my county who if I recall had a few other as well. So I email this person asking questions about it. Then later I emailed national offices. No answer from either. I tried to use this forum to get contact information for them by starting a thread about it. One or two replies and no tangible help to reach the governing body.

9 to 12 months later the organization starts up in this area and people are abuzz about it.

So...

11) They don't communicate via e-mail or provide phone numbers.

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krupa

The Dream Operator
Silver Member
Not to hi-jack as my answer is no, but granted the format and all sounds great.

I noticed many moons ago that on the NAPA website that there was a L.O. in my county who if I recall had a few other as well. So I email this person asking questions about it. Then later I emailed national offices. No answer from either. I tried to use this forum to get contact information for them by starting a thread about it. One or two replies and no tangible help to reach the governing body.

9 to 12 months later the organization starts up in this area and people are abuzz about it.

So...

11) They don't communicate via e-mail or provide phone numbers.

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I had the same experience when I first became aware of the APA. I emailed the local LO to get information about it. He never got back to me, either.

I agree, though, that it's not very easy to get information from the National office. I usually bother my LO with my questions and he ends up asking the National office.
 

Nullus

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
League operators are franchise owners. While this reflects in a way on the league itself, it's not an indicator of how the league functions. There are good and bad LO's in all types of leagues.

As for NAPA...I've posted elsewhere on the forums, so i'll just recap a little. If it weren't for the lure of Vegas that keeps the 'other' league on top right now, NAPA would probably be top dog in a very short time. Their handicap system is 10x better. You win, you go up. You lose, you go down. There is no winning and sandbagging for 20 matches to wait on it to catch up with you and raise your handicap. League operators have (and use) more flexibility in adjusting handicaps on the fly if someone is caught trying to play well below their skill level. They have a great national tournament that isn't too hard to qualify for. It's fun, also because it allows for pro level players to participate locally if they so choose and some do. Lastly, they are very transparent. You can look up any player's stats, any league. They're more modernized too, with paperless scoring, which is, by the way, much easier. Mark down who wins each game. Innings don't exist!

They currently move the nationals around, which is nice, but I'd rather see them put it somewhere like Atlantic City, to maybe compete a little with the Vegas thing in the other league. I think it will help draw more players in. Aside from that, they have a team tournament that at least this year, is being held in the home area of last year's winning team. I think that's pretty cool. There will drawbacks to that if the winning team is too remote, but otherwise it's nice.

NAPA is far better than other leagues imo. I played in two different ones in the past, one for 11 years, and again for another year, after a ten year absence and nothing has really changed, other than they added a new scoring system, which is worse than the bad one they already used. The other league was better, but still had issues with sandbagging. Their national tournament was open to anyone though, which was good, and it too, was held in Vegas. NAPA still wins by a landslide for it's flexibility, handcapping system and variety of games played.
 

SPDR9

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I play in NAPA now and started a league in a room closer to my house. 2 seasons in I am sitting mid to high 90's. I really like the format and the fact I don't have to deal with all the paperwork. Everything just flows a lot better than the other 2 leagues I play in also.
 

RobMan

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I have played two seasons of NAPA and enjoy the format. We play Lagger's Choice - 8 ball, 9 ball, or 10 ball. I like the handicapping system. I play high 80's to mid 90's and there are a number of people my speed or higher. As stated by Fathomblue -- the website and stats are second to none. Also we keep score on smartphones -- and you can see live scoring of any match as it is being played. Scorekeeping is a breeze -- just wins and losses.

We play on 9 footers, and also have pretty healthy TAP and APA leagues in town. I enjoy the NAPA league. Only prob is we play on Wednesdays and I travel a ton - generally gone that night....


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kaznj

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Joined a team yesterday. Start in june. Middlsex nj. Lo is Sandman from Sandcastle. Looking forward,to it.
 

nobcitypool

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Nearest Napa league is 50 minutes away. I wish we had it locally. I've talked toan number of people who've played it and it sounds like a good format.
 

Goldy

Beating The Internet
Silver Member
Glad to see some great reviews about NAPA here on AZ. I've been promoted to Vice President of the organization the beginning of this year to lead the technological effort of the league to minimize expenses for all who are involved in NAPA's vision of affordability.

I'm happy to answer any questions for those who have them here on AZ.

Also, FYI. There's a live broadcast of the NAPA MEGA 15k in Columbus, Ohio @ Hollywood Casino Columbus next week. May 22-25 @ www.napastream.tv that will have a slew of information about the league, and what we're trying to accomplish for ALL pool players.

We will also backup another big broadcast of the 2014 NAPA Nationals June 13-22nd, from the Hilton Atlanta, Atlanta, Georgia.

Zach Goldsmith
zach.goldsmith@napaleagues.com
 

pewpewpool

Registered
Where in Conway do you play Justin? I'm in Morrilton and there's nothing here other than a Thursday night game at the Cedar Lounge.

Last time I was in Arkadelphia (home) NAPA was trying to start up, but I don't think anybody was interested. They had APA for a while, but I believe that was dying because of a shady rep there.
 

fathomblue

Rusty Shackleford
Silver Member
I've been playing in Morrilton every week. My team just won the Saturday night session at Jose's, which is right next to Cedar Glade. I actually played at Cedar this past Wednesday night for the 8B Travel session.

Surely we know each other. PM me your name or leave it here, if you like.
 

mikendn

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I just started playing NAPA here as well in Queens, New York. The quality of player is higher than the main other league. It is very competitive.
 
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