Any Problems If Using Snooker Fundamentals To Play Pool??

tsw_521 said:
Also, speaking as an opposite-eye dominant pool player, the snooker stance works but you have to be especially careful to make sure you're walking in and sighting with your dominant eye. The stance tends to pull you to a center head position, so it's easy to be a little bit off if you're not careful.
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Liang Wenbo's Dominant Eye
Here is a clip clearly showing he sets up with the cue below his right eye.

Liang Wenbo’s cue position @ 7:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0THhTCiMCHM&feature=channel_page

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tsw_521 said:
I agree 100%. Snooker fundamentals are more exacting because the game demands it. That's why snooker players can transition to pool more easily than the other way around.
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This season, in the Premier League, Neil Robertson, who needed to win to have any hope of making the semi finals, in the last two frames, on the final colours:

Doubled the pink off the end rail
Doubled the respotted black off the end rail to win the tied frame
Doubled the black off the side rail to win the match

Double - snooker talk for bank

In the interview he mentioned that he had played a lot of 8 and 9 ball.

Neil won the Snooker World Championship on Monday.
 
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Scaramouche's got copy/paste-itis (or "paste-lexia")

Scaramouche said:
Liang Wenbo's Dominant Eye
Here is a clip clearly showing he sets up with the cue below his right eye.

Liang Wenbo’s cue position @ 7:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0THhT...e=channel_page
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Scaramouche:

You did it again -- copy/pasted a truncated/summarized link from another post. See the "..." stuff in the URL, right after the "watch" keyword? That's a placemarker for URL truncation -- which the vBulletin software does on very long URLs so that they don't take up too much reading space in the post. You copy/pasted the truncated URL from the surface, instead of the underlying real URL.

You might want to [E]dit your post and fix that. The video you speak of, of Liang Wenbo's dominant opposite eye placement over the cue is a good example of how to do the same thing that comes naturally with the angled pool stance, and would be a good contribution to this thread.

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Scaramouche:

You did it again -- copy/pasted a truncated/summarized link from another post. See the "..." stuff in the URL, right after the "watch" keyword? That's a placemarker for URL truncation -- which the vBulletin software does on very long URLs so that they don't take up too much reading space in the post. You copy/pasted the truncated URL from the surface, instead of the underlying real URL.

You might want to [E]dit your post and fix that. The video you speak of, of Liang Wenbo's dominant opposite eye placement over the cue is a good example of how to do the same thing that comes naturally with the angled pool stance, and would be a good contribution to this thread.

-Sean
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FIXED!!!!

I have always claimed to be a techno-idiot.
Just providing proof for all the unbelievers in the crowd.:D
 
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Giving it a try...

So, I decided to give snooker fundamentals a legitimate attempt. For reference I'm a B-level pool player. I've messed around with snooker but my background is 100% pool. Last night I played one race of 9-ball against someone my speed using snooker fundamentals.

For the first 5 or 6 racks I played great. Running out from everywhere and pocketing a little more cleanly than normal. After that I could feel my pre-shot routine and aim getting a bit sloppy and I started making more mistakes. That's something to work on.

I didn't encounter a single stroke shot that I couldn't play with snooker fundamentals (except for the break). Considering that pool balls are larger than snooker balls, I think there's no disadvantage to using a closed bridge, and that helped on power shots.

In general I was more confident that I was stroking straight. The snooker stance seems to slot the back arm better so there's less that can go wrong there. That took away one variable and left me free to focus on aim and position. To me the improved stroke-straightness was most valuable on long cut shots and on shots where you have to stun the ball firmly, like popping off a rail with speed.

It's a useful experiment and I'll keep on playing around with it. I don't know yet if I'll switch permanently, but I think it's something worth trying for beginner/intermediate players.
 
Celtic said:
You might want to watch the actual stroke he uses to do that. It had huge follow through, he drew the cue back far more then normal, and he jumped up when he stroked the ball.

Noone is saying snooker players cannot power stroke a ball, Jimmy White had a ludicrously powerful stroke when he needed it, but it was NOT a traditional snooker stroke he used to make the power shots, he modified the stroke to make the shot. What snooker players do on the rare occasion they need to power a ball is simply what pool players do on a more regular basis and to a greater degree because rotational pool demands more cueball movement.
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Here's a similar shot by Corey Deuel (at 1:51). It's worth noting that he didn't amp up nearly as much as Neil did on his similar shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L85wpzf9F0&feature=PlayList&p=C59458CB23239A5D&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=61

I've played both games for 20 years and I can tell you that pool players generally do have more powerful strokes than snooker players, and they tend to have more knowledge of 'moving' around the table. Snooker players are meanwhile very accurate shotmakers - and have a very short learning curve when they actually do get into pool. But for those wondering whether the snooker fundamentals will help you, the simple answer is that they will. However, they are not the be all and end all of playing great pool. Plenty of great pool players have suspect technique, and they all make ball after ball after ball. Hell, I watched Earl whack in like five spotted blue balls in a row with the cueball in the corner pocket shooting behind his back on a 12' table, so clearly accurate shooting is not just about good technique.

Where the snooker fundamentals will help in particular is in helping train you to shoot from a very solid base and stay down on the shot. For that reason they will be very effective at increasing your accuracy.
 
predator said:
Having great fundamentals is a great bonus, but to be at the very top in either game, you need something extra.

Check this out. Only a 76 break by Ronnie, but better than half of his 147s...amazing ball control:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Q7dwnEfEE&feature=related
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Of course, you need to be mentally tough and have good knowledge, but don't you think his great fundamentals helped him a lot here especially with the cue ball control? Other players may have struggled on certain shots and the ball wobbles in the pocket easily.
 
gromulan said:
Here's a similar shot by Corey Deuel (at 1:51). It's worth noting that he didn't amp up nearly as much as Neil did on his similar shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L85wpzf9F0&feature=PlayList&p=C59458CB23239A5D&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=61

I've played both games for 20 years and I can tell you that pool players generally do have more powerful strokes than snooker players, and they tend to have more knowledge of 'moving' around the table. Snooker players are meanwhile very accurate shotmakers - and have a very short learning curve when they actually do get into pool. But for those wondering whether the snooker fundamentals will help you, the simple answer is that they will. However, they are not the be all and end all of playing great pool. Plenty of great pool players have suspect technique, and they all make ball after ball after ball. Hell, I watched Earl whack in like five spotted blue balls in a row with the cueball in the corner pocket shooting behind his back on a 12' table, so clearly accurate shooting is not just about good technique.

Where the snooker fundamentals will help in particular is in helping train you to shoot from a very solid base and stay down on the shot. For that reason they will be very effective at increasing your accuracy.
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good point!!
 
Taiwan players play 9ball on snooker table also race little bit money, I feel weried first time but they explain to me about the practice ideas then I totally agree...
 
Snooker players do indeed have powerful strokes. But I believe that there is a "cut off" point in the power in which most snooker players can generate.

My reasoning is 3-cushion billiards. These guys have the most powerful strokes in the world. Their fundamentals are completely ass backwards compared to snooker fundamentals. They also differ from pool fundamentals in several ways.

If I were to ask would a snooker player make a good 3-cushion player? Probably not, because I believe their fundamentals only allow them for so much power (which is usually more than enough in most situations while playing pool, but not 3-cushion).

JMO
 
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