ANYONE KNOW THE DETAILS OF THIS SYSTEM???

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i saw this diagram but there is no explanation of the numbers or thickness of ball hit
anyone familiar with it??
thanks in advance
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CocoboloCowboy

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Want to learn to play 3C, hit 100,000 shots. If you don't get feel for game, return to table, and hit 100,00 more. System don't work, they separate sucker from money.
 

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i saw this diagram but there is no explanation of the numbers or thickness of ball hit
anyone familiar with it??
thanks in advance
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Larry, i don't know the exact math, but it looks like it's a system that uses 3 tips of English. 3 tips of English gives you a total of a 3 diamond spread the long way and 1.5 diamond spread the short way.

So if you look at the diagram, if you hit the ball parallel to the long rail with 3 tips hitting the 1st diamond, the cueball would end up at diamond 2 on the short rail that would not score. So this is making a 1 diamond adjustment to score (note that the cueball path is 1/2 diamond over before hitting the 1st diamond making a full diamond adjustment to score).

Not sure if it makes sense now or if I made it more confusing.

One thing is clear... This is the first post I've read from Cocobolo Cowboy in years - he is still an ass.
 

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Larry, i don't know the exact math, but it looks like it's a system that uses 3 tips of English. 3 tips of English gives you a total of a 3 diamond spread the long way and 1.5 diamond spread the short way.

So if you look at the diagram, if you hit the ball parallel to the long rail with 3 tips hitting the 1st diamond, the cueball would end up at diamond 2 on the short rail that would not score. So this is making a 1 diamond adjustment to score (note that the cueball path is 1/2 diamond over before hitting the 1st diamond making a full diamond adjustment to score).

Not sure if it makes sense now or if I made it more confusing.

One thing is clear... This is the first post I've read from Cocobolo Cowboy in years - he is still an ass.
thanks dave
i follow your explanation
 

CocoboloCowboy

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Honestly I am no Master, my BEST RUN Recently was Seven.

Honestly I find think, plan, and execute what you later out in your mind is good.

If you miss you shot by these then inch, your plan was close.

Watching or reading instructional help. But only way to actual see if you learned anything is hitting balls.
 

straightline

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i saw this diagram but there is no explanation of the numbers or thickness of ball hit
anyone familiar with it??
thanks in advance
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Looks like the diamonds on the first short rail go in 10s and 5s on the other short rail. The 8 to 9 line is the tangent line of the shot so the aimed fraction is incidental. Haven't a clue where he gets the arithmetic.
 
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Bert van Manen

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Looks like the diamonds on the first short rail go in 10s and 5s on the other short rail. The 8 to 9 line is the tangent line of the shot so the aimed fraction is incidental. Haven't a clue where he gets the arithmetic.
The numbers are meaningless, and they'll mostly distract you from what it is you need to be doing when taking on these shots: visualize. Systems are a crutch, and the whole idea is that you learn how to walk and eventually run! Don't delude yourself into thinking they'll make you a better player. A decent teacher will up your average in a day more than systems will in a year. Don't take my word for it: most of today's top players rely less and less on systems, because there's a lot of work and little yield.
 

Black-Balled

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The numbers are meaningless, and they'll mostly distract you from what it is you need to be doing when taking on these shots: visualize. Systems are a crutch, and the whole idea is that you learn how to walk and eventually run! Don't delude yourself into thinking they'll make you a better player. A decent teacher will up your average in a day more than systems will in a year. Don't take my word for it: most of today's top players rely less and less on systems, because there's a lot of work and little yield.
Interesting and appreciated. I have thus far refused to turn this game into work and am largely inattentive to systems talk.

I know you've also opined the #1 thing to make an amateur's scoring improve is correct shot selection. Another plain truth.
 

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The numbers are meaningless, and they'll mostly distract you from what it is you need to be doing when taking on these shots: visualize. Systems are a crutch, and the whole idea is that you learn how to walk and eventually run! Don't delude yourself into thinking they'll make you a better player. A decent teacher will up your average in a day more than systems will in a year. Don't take my word for it: most of today's top players rely less and less on systems, because there's a lot of work and little yield.
That shot is a personal favorite for position when cutting a ball into the side.

The personal methods of the pros are unknown to me. I think systems though are very useful for organizing the myriads of possibilities besides fine tuning the outcomes.
 

KenneyTran

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Looks like he missed it twice. :p

The original question is number or thickness of hitting the ball.

Not much of it other than muscle memory, play well enough of it, it’ll become natural.

At 1:08 it’ll show how or the logic of cue ball moves. You can adjust and practice on it.
 

straightline

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The original question is number or thickness of hitting the ball.

Not much of it other than muscle memory, play well enough of it, it’ll become natural.

At 1:08 it’ll show how or the logic of cue ball moves. You can adjust and practice on it.
Yeah I know. I play primarily pool where it's mostly a positional dance. Given that, the hit is based on the carom tangent; the shape of the angle determined by where and how much stuff. Very useful too as Blomdahl demonstrated.
 

34YearsOfPlayin

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It is a half ball hit. so You can draw a tangent line with your cue to both short rails. As you see in the diagram that he did. He has already determined by feel/observation the last rail hit point. This gives him half the equation 14+8=9. From Here you know that the only way that 8 can equal 9 is by adding a 1 to 8. So the first part of the equation has to be 15-14. Which equals 1. Full finished equation is 15-14+8=9. I think you know the second rail hit point so you use feel to determine english or something.

Possibly they are using the top short rail to determine how many tips of english to use. From the left side: Diamond 1 = 1 tip, Diamond 2= 2 tips etc.
 
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straightline

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It is a half ball hit. so You can draw a tangent line with your cue to both short rails. As you see in the diagram that he did. He has already determined by feel/observation the last rail hit point. This gives him half the equation 14+8=9. From Here you know that the only way that 8 can equal 9 is by adding a 1 to 8. So the first part of the equation has to be 15-14. Which equals 1. Full finished equation is 15-14+8=9
Why 15 when that rail is scaled for 20?
 

34YearsOfPlayin

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Why 15 when that rail is scaled for 20?
I am not certain I understand your question but the second rail is hit at 15 because if you stun the cueball into 9 with 1 tip of english it will hit about 15 so it can hit the short rail scaled at 20 at 14.
 
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straightline

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I am not certain I understand your question but the second rail is hit at 15 because if you stun the cueball into 9 with 1 tip of english it will hit about 15 so it can hit the short rail scaled at 20 at 14.
Ok. There was no other reference than the 14 on the short rail. If 15 is the long rail, what's the scale?
 

bbb

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thank you all for your input
i think i may have it figured out
need to get time to try it
the 15 is just a fixed first number (i am aware of another system where you start with 8)
you then subtract the arrival point and add the start point to get the aim point using 4 effect
as @straightline pointed out the 1st rail is measured where each diamond is 10
bottom rail is measured as each diamond is 5
i tried this quickly on my pool table
cue ball at 14 wanting to return to 14
so
15-14 +14 =15
if i aimed at 15 on the short rail from 14 using 4 effect
i banked,,,(kicked for pool ) back to where i started
seems to work
needs more verification
 

KenneyTran

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thank you all for your input
i think i may have it figured out
need to get time to try it
the 15 is just a fixed first number (i am aware of another system where you start with 8)
you then subtract the arrival point and add the start point to get the aim point using 4 effect
as @straightline pointed out the 1st rail is measured where each diamond is 10
bottom rail is measured as each diamond is 5
i tried this quickly on my pool table
cue ball at 14 wanting to return to 14
so
15-14 +14 =15
if i aimed at 15 on the short rail from 14 using 4 effect
i banked,,,(kicked for pool ) back to where i started
seems to work
needs more verification
If you’re in or close to Toronto, Canada.
I have an extra set of carom rails that will fit a 10ft pool table. You don’t need do anything to the pocket. It’ll fit over it.
 
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