Anyone play in the ACS leagues?

TheProfessor

Gettin schooled
Just wondering. There is a local chapter of the ACS as well as an APA league. I am wondering which one to join, and would like to hear opinions on the two.

Thanks!
 
My league is co-sanctioned BCA/ACS. I think they're pretty much the same. APA, on the other hand, is MUCH different. For good players, my vote goes to anything but the APA. If you have beginners/medium players on your team, the APA is fun. My last APA team lost 3 members over one season because our skill levels were too high to play together as the season went on.

-s
 
steev said:
My league is co-sanctioned BCA/ACS. I think they're pretty much the same. APA, on the other hand, is MUCH different. For good players, my vote goes to anything but the APA. If you have beginners/medium players on your team, the APA is fun. My last APA team lost 3 members over one season because our skill levels were too high to play together as the season went on.

-s
I agree with Steev 100%
I you have mostly new players, APA.
Mostly better players, not APA.
 
With the addition of ACS alongside BCA you are given another choice of local/regional/national tourneys. ACS is in its premature stages and doesn't have the following yet...at least here in the northwest. With the ACS losing their ability to play the regional tourney at Chinook Winds Casino in Lincoln City, OR (where the pro women play when they come to town) it has, IMO, lost a lot of following. The regional tourneys are now held at Seven Feathers Casino in Canyonville, OR. Where is Canyonville, you ask? Way southern Oregon in the middle of nowhere..thats where. A terrible location for a regional event. Very few players even from Portland, make the trip...let alone towards Seattle players.

They are having the Pacific ACS regional 9ball tourney as I write this. I just got back from playing singles. We drove down there Wednesday night and just got home tonight. Teams is this weekend. I got 5th in the Open tourney out of 51 players. Thats right...51 players....for a regional tourney with barely if any money added, not a good turn out. There were only 10 Master players there as well. Glenn Atwell was running through that bunch. I got $85 for 5th..first place was $400. With hardly any money added by the ACS or casino it is not a venue I plan to attend again...especially at $1/game in a race to 7 alternating breaks. I spent about $40 in table fees.
Until the PACS has their tourneys closer to the northwest pool community, mainly Portland/Vancouver/Tacoma/Seattle, they will not get a very good following for regional tourneys. I like the league overall, like BCA, but spending 8 weeks to qualify for a regional tourney that has no players is not a good thing. I will have to really be sweet talked to play the upcoming 8ball league.
Just my thoughts
 
I am a proponent of too many choices can thin out a good thing. What people want is better pool, more pool and bigger pool. It is right that everyone should do research as that what a choice is. It will be clear, politics aside, what to choose.

Locally the WBCA is going to add over $10,000 (maybe double) this next tournament in Feb. and the payout will be over $60,000 plus.expected is over 600 players, hundreds of teams. With the competition the fun and camaraderie isn’t this what you want as a pool players...... Your are damn right you do. Do you think that pool will be able to carry 4-5-6 organizations for amateur league players that can do the same things as the WBCA, your right is answer is NO. WBCA is doing what players want right NOW….The local PACS will not get the people needed to sustain a league that can provide major events. Some will live with that to continue with it. Each to their own in that regard, The last few PACS event descriptions sound like being at the morgue.... sorry to say. I want to play in the best things going that is simple.

Not every organization is for everyone. APA has its appeal to mostly very new players and VNEA & ACS has its following that appeals to those few people for there reasons, smoking or what ever. It will likely be years before PACS gets off the ground, if ever, Right now for the money BCAPL is it…Period;)
 
well, the problem is that the only local leagues here are the ACS and the APA. I have heard a lot of negative things about the APA, so that is why I asked on here. I know the ACS is not as widespread as other leagues, but I don't know if that is a huge drawback or not, as far as I'm concerned. I am not looking for a career, just good competition with the chance to play in tournaments and such.
 
Professor... you could start a BCAPL league in your area. It is accepted as the best by huge majority of pool people around the country
 
Hey Professor

I'm a league director of an ACS league here in Richmond. I agree with what others have said. If you want competition, join ACS. As they're getting their feet under them nationally you can hone your game locally. Just my 2 cents.

Brian in VA

BTW - Professor was my nickname for many years.
 
Just so you know, the BCA Pool League allows dual sanctioning with any other league program.

Many VNEA and ACS have decided to go with dual sanctioning since it offers the players more options. The BCAPL is adding over $200,000 this league year to amatuer events. If there are no leagues in your area, you can always become a "player member" which allows you to play in National and regional singles events without the requirement of playing in organized league play. Hopefully this helps.

If you have any questions, just call the BCAPL office at 702-719-7665.

Mark Griffin
 
i was at a BCA meeting with mr. griffin and he promised more regional competition for players. this was more than a year ago and i have not seen a single event besides nationals. the ACS is trying to do more with pool on a regional and national scale than any other organization at this current time, it just needs some more participation. if people would start to recognize the ACS as a solid replacement they would start to realize the benefits that can be gained from a non-profit organization
 
j kronz

I was at the meetings with Mark Griffin too, everything he has tried to do he has done, alot of stuff, all for the betterment of pool. fact

now to your regional stament....Our regional will have 857 people entered the added money is estimated at around $24,000 included help from Mark Griffin's BCAPLstamp progarm plus what other resources the WBCA has developed. The payouts will be, from last years $52,000, to over $64,000 this March that is in my region. The ACS regional 9 ball had about 150 total people a few weeks ago. Iam afraid to mention any add that would be embarassing to them. rumor is that this year is the last year for our local P-ACS they had more people the year before.......

Your problem is that you want to replace, replace BCAPL with ACS... you have got to be kidding. I have seen the non-profit vs. Profit thing. with the past BCA.. nothing was being done, they were stale.You can't win that argument. More has been done for pool, more action has taken place with BCAPL,Mar Griffin fact. I don't no where you live but have you must have seen the numbers at the ACS national last year... a solid replacement is, sorry to say, a joke out of you..... your choice of words shows......, well iam also afraid to say what it shows...maybe there would be BCAPL in your area, like other areas, if there were more informed people ...........Good luck man
 
TheProfessor said:
well, the problem is that the only local leagues here are the ACS and the APA. I have heard a lot of negative things about the APA, so that is why I asked on here. I know the ACS is not as widespread as other leagues, but I don't know if that is a huge drawback or not, as far as I'm concerned. I am not looking for a career, just good competition with the chance to play in tournaments and such.

The ACS is only in it's second year. However, most of its league operators are seasoned league operators who switched from the BCA.

If they're National Tournament is bigger than last year, then the growth outlook is positive and the ACS has a future. If the Tournament doesn't get significantly bigger, the outlook isn't that great, IMO.

I'll echo what other posters have said: APA for beginners. Not-APA for the rest.

Fred
 
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