APA 9-ball Scoring Q's

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1. Do you count the dead balls in the final game? For example, someone only needs one more point to win the match, they break and make the six ball in, match over. Do you record the eight dead balls left on the table? If so, does the nine count as two dead, for a total of nine dead balls?


2. Let’s say a SL3 is at 24 points, they need 25 to win. They are on the three, they shoot, and the cue ball caroms off the three and sinks the nine. Do you mark their final score at 25, since that’s all they needed, or do you give them two points for the nine and mark their final score as 26?

This came up at league and people had different answers, so I was wondering if anyone knew for sure. Thanks in advance!
 
kitkat said:
1. Do you count the dead balls in the final game? For example, someone only needs one more point to win the match, they break and make the six ball in, match over. Do you record the eight dead balls left on the table? If so, does the nine count as two dead, for a total of nine dead balls?


2. Let’s say a SL3 is at 24 points, they need 25 to win. They are on the three, they shoot, and the cue ball caroms off the three and sinks the nine. Do you mark their final score at 25, since that’s all they needed, or do you give them two points for the nine and mark their final score as 26?

This came up at league and people had different answers, so I was wondering if anyone knew for sure. Thanks in advance!
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1) Yes - you count all the dead balls
2) And you count all the points (26)
 
Interesting. Here locally, we don't do either. Though honestly we haven't had the 9-ball on the snap with one point issue occur in any our our matches. The same effect could occur were the shooter to make more than one ball on the break, not just snapping the 9....

I don't know why you would care to record the dead balls once the game was decided. They don't factor into anything other than making sure the math is correct for the win. They don't have a total dead ball square on the scoresheet.

Questions for the LO I suppose. Perhaps cueguy has already gotten them answered in that manner before.
 
Some places do and some places don't. Doesn't matter either way, some people just get picky.
 
kitkat said:
1. Do you count the dead balls in the final game? For example, someone only needs one more point to win the match, they break and make the six ball in, match over. Do you record the eight dead balls left on the table? If so, does the nine count as two dead, for a total of nine dead balls?


2. Let’s say a SL3 is at 24 points, they need 25 to win. They are on the three, they shoot, and the cue ball caroms off the three and sinks the nine. Do you mark their final score at 25, since that’s all they needed, or do you give them two points for the nine and mark their final score as 26?

This came up at league and people had different answers, so I was wondering if anyone knew for sure. Thanks in advance!
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In my local area for #1, we all count the dead balls in the last game of the match. Even though our league operator can figure it out, we can get dinged for sloppy scorekeeping which not doing so could fall under. The 9 ball does count as two balls.

For #2 different people do it differently. Most people I know would only mark their final score at 25 and use the second point of the 9 ball as a dead ball. A few people tally the 26th ball, but when writing in the numbers in the columns at the right of the sheet, they still need to write-in 25 points. There is nothing in the scoring rules that allows a 3 to finish with 26 points, so only 25 count when all is said and done.
 
it really wouldnt matter whether the 3 finished with 25 or 26 since the split is based on the losers score.
 
quadrary said:
it really wouldnt matter whether the 3 finished with 25 or 26 since the split is based on the losers score.
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I assume it matters when determining skill levels...but we won't know until the formula is published.
 
kitkat said:
1. Do you count the dead balls in the final game? For example, someone only needs one more point to win the match, they break and make the six ball in, match over. Do you record the eight dead balls left on the table? If so, does the nine count as two dead, for a total of nine dead balls?


2. Let’s say a SL3 is at 24 points, they need 25 to win. They are on the three, they shoot, and the cue ball caroms off the three and sinks the nine. Do you mark their final score at 25, since that’s all they needed, or do you give them two points for the nine and mark their final score as 26?

This came up at league and people had different answers, so I was wondering if anyone knew for sure. Thanks in advance!
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The only reason for counting dead balls in APA 9 Ball scoring is to be able to double check an accurate scoring for that rack during the game;ie, the very first rack should total 10, the second rack 20 and so forth. They have no other use and do not enter into skill level evaluation. That being said in the last rack of the match they do not need to be counted, if a player reaches his win number of 25 for example but actually scores 26 or 27, you would write 25 in their total points box. The extra points are never counted or used in the computer scoring by your LO.

I hope this answers your question.
 
kitkat said:
2. Let’s say a SL3 is at 24 points, they need 25 to win. They are on the three, they shoot, and the cue ball caroms off the three and sinks the nine. Do you mark their final score at 25, since that’s all they needed, or do you give them two points for the nine and mark their final score as 26?
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I could be wrong (I often am, but I'm too lazy to get up and check the handbook :rolleyes:), but I thought at one time in the APA Team Manual in the section where it shows how to score a 9-ball match, it said to mark the score as 26. Or...I may have read that on the National website.

Maniac
 
Why in the hell are you counting balls in 9-ball???? Whoever makes the 9 ball wins.

Personally, When I played the APA, I liked running out to the 9 and missing it to give my opponent the 9. I would have to laugh at the end when I won the match without making a single 9 ball.
 
NewStroke said:
Why in the hell are you counting balls in 9-ball???? Whoever makes the 9 ball wins.

Personally, When I played the APA, I liked running out to the 9 and missing it to give my opponent the 9. I would have to laugh at the end when I won the match without making a single 9 ball.
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so i guess you are a lock at the open this year since you run all the racks let me know i want you in the calcutta.
 
NewStroke said:
Why in the hell are you counting balls in 9-ball???? Whoever makes the 9 ball wins.

Personally, When I played the APA, I liked running out to the 9 and missing it to give my opponent the 9. I would have to laugh at the end when I won the match without making a single 9 ball.
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That was just the choice the APA made in their handicapping system.

As you have also discovered, you had a choice not to play APA 9-ball. While you don't care for it, lots of people do and their liking it won't affect your life.

I don't like strawberry icecream, but I don't dump on the people who do; it's no skin off my nose.
 
quadrary said:
so i guess you are a lock at the open this year since you run all the racks let me know i want you in the calcutta.
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I can assure you, I hardly run every rack. I am pretty certain though that you have no sense of humor.
 
Mr600 said:
The long standing question in APA 9-ball is why the 9-ball is worth 2 points and every other ball is worth 1 point.
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Every ball is worth 1 point. The rack is worth 1 point. You win the rack by making the 9 ball. Hence, you score 2 points for whoever makes the 9 and wins the rack.

They score it that way because that's the way they decided to score it. If you consistently make the 9 ball, then you consistently get the bonus point for winning the rack, which ends up favoring the better players. If you don't consistently make the 9 ball, then you at least get points for making balls during the rack, which favors the weaker players. It's a handicap league.

This isn't so much for PocketPoint as anybody else who might have the question.
 
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