APA Acceptable time between shots

TheNewSharkster said:
Gregg said:
Regardless of SL, some people take longer to set up their shots than others. This is the case on the Pro tour as well as APA league night.
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I agree but it seems a lot more common for a lower skill level to take longer on a shot. I am less sympathetic to a high skill level player who takes a long time between shots.
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Ever see Danny Basavich or Bobby Hunter play?
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Ant812 said:
not in my area, that rule only apllies to actual start time if one team does not have a shooter there at 7:30 to start. there is a 15 minute grace period in which if no one shows the whole match is a forfeit. i have had this happen a few times and if the LO is called, he suggests to wait until 8. once play starts, it must be continuous...2 minutes between matches.
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I think you are correct, but I could not find it in writing.

Therefore I just interpreted the following to mean for each player.

"4. FORFEITS
a. A team match will result in a forfeit if your player is not at the table and
ready to begin within 15minutes of the appointed time. Real Time, as
opposed to Bar Time, is the official League time."
 
TheNewSharkster said:
I wasn't just talking about the amount of time it takes to line up your shot and shoot but also the amount of time it takes to decide which shot to choose. In my exp with APA the higher Skill Level players tend to know which shot to shoot sometimes before the cue ball even stops. Or are able to see the best shot to more quickly than a SL2.
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I was also taking about their decision time. The decide which shot they are going to shoot nearly as fast as tehe 7, but they are shooting their "comfort" shot, not necessarily the best shot for the layout of the table.

EDIT: Only in difficult situations where there is no obvious shot would the decision making time increase more for the low player than the high player.
 
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Pfft, last year in the States I played a guy that took literally 1-2 minutes between each shot. Sharked me right out of the match.
I do blame myself though, I should have grabbed the LO and asked him to watch the guy. Live and learn.
 
soulcatcher said:
I was also taking about their decision time. The decide which shot they are going to shoot nearly as fast as tehe 7, but they are shooting their "comfort" shot, not necessarily the best shot for the layout of the table.

EDIT: Only in difficult situations where there is no obvious shot would the decision making time increase more for the low player than the high player.
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I would be willing to bet if a test were done where you took the average length of time between shots with a SL7 and a SL2 you would see a large difference in time.
 
jongreve said:
I think you are correct, but I could not find it in writing.

Therefore I just interpreted the following to mean for each player.

"4. FORFEITS
a. A team match will result in a forfeit if your player is not at the table and
ready to begin within 15minutes of the appointed time. Real Time, as
opposed to Bar Time, is the official League time."
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your on the right page, scroll down to section C under forfeits.
 
maxeypad2007 said:
Thanks for the info.

I guess I usually expect less complaining from the higher level players. There were a lot of tough shots (table length banks etc). 20 seconds per shot is kind of short in my opinion if you actually time it from the time the ball stops moving to the ball beginning to move again.
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On the contrary...when I played APA league, I found it was mostly the higher level players that liked to complain. The lower skilled players just seemed happy to be there, most of the time. A lot of the higher skilled players loved to complain about anything and everything.

Getting back to the topic though, a minute or a little more per shot is excessive, I think. I should preface that by saying I probably take an average of less than 10 seconds between shots. I will say that maybe 20 seconds per shot is maybe a little short, I would suggest 30 seconds/shot.
 
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you APA guys sure have problems ... LOL 30 seconds for normal shot, 60 seconds on difficult/complex shots. Anything over a minute, and I would complain to LO.

I have never heard of anyone restricting shots to be shot less than 30 seconds, which is what the pros play to. 30 seconds is pretty standard.

Leagues I played in, a 2 minute timeout is allowed, even though some teams will take up to 5-6 minutes. I have complained about that too, as it is excessive.

Thing is, what would be difficult/complex for a sl3 might be easy for sl6.
Players that are struggling, no matter what ranking they are, take longer to shoot.

The ones I hate are the ones that look at the obvious shot to shoot, and then pause looking at every possible other shot, and then shoot the first one they looked at.

I know 90% of the time, before I ever get to the table, which shot I will shoot first.
 
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Snapshot9 said:
you APA guys sure have problems ... LOL 30 seconds for normal shot, 60 seconds on difficult/complex shots. Anything over a minute, and I would complain to LO.

I have never heard of anyone restricting shots to be shot less than 30 seconds, which is what the pros play to. 30 seconds is pretty standard.

Leagues I played in, a 2 minute timeout is allowed, even though some teams will take up to 5-6 minutes. I have complained about that too, as it is excessive.

Thing is, what would be difficult/complex for a sl3 might be easy for sl6.
Players that are struggling, no matter what ranking they are, take longer to shoot.

The ones I hate are the ones that look at the obvious shot to shoot, and then pause looking at every possible other shot, and then shoot the first one they looked at.

I know 90% of the time, before I ever get to the table, which shot I will shoot first.
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Really, I didn't initially like the idea of a shot clock. If everyone would police themselves and simply take a reasonable amount of time, it would be fine. Sure, there are different circumstances for different shots. But there are players that turned me in favor of a clock.

One instance was a lower skilled player, she got a little funny. So she takes a good 2-3 minutes looking at the shot, laying her cue stick down to line it up, look at it from different angles.....and then calls timeout. So they take another minute or two in timeout, made their decision...then she takes another minute or two actually taking the shot they decided on. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Then there are guys who will just fidget in between shots doing things that are not necessary. I played a guy once where in between shots it was the same thing. Grind the chalk out, stroke the cue in the air, grind the chalk out some more, look at the shot, walk around and look from another angle, walk back and look again, grind chalk, air stroke, get down on shot, practice stroke......and get up again and do it all over again before shooting. Not just on tough shots mind you, but even relatively routine ones. These are the kind of people that make the game joyless for me.
 
I don't see how anyone could "average" 1 minute per shot. I'd be asleep if we were the last match of the night and he/she would have a break and run....

Kinda like the guys on local munis playing golf in the afternoon; walk around the green to look at every possible angle to line up a 15 foot putt (every putt), and at the end of the day complain about the greens, and use them as an excuse for the 36+ putts for the day (and the 90+ score). Funny how the guys who tee off pre-9am can get in a round in 3-4 hours (not over 4), and the afternoon rounds can go 5+.

BTW, in both cases it's not always the beginners, some people are just SLOW!!!! I may just get to the table and shoot the 8ball directly in a couple of times....I'm there to have a good time, not to take a nap. In reality though, I'd probably slow the game up even more, since I couldn't watch someone that slow, and I'd have to be told EVRYTIME when it was my shot again. AAAARGH!
 
It must be going around, I'm new to APA and I played the SLOWEST guy ever this past Sunday. I was getting very frustrating. He would look at 5 different shots then get down on the cue ball, get back up and look around again and then get back down on the same cue ball and FINALLY shot. I got frustrated and got down then won the last two games to beat him. It was like torture.
 
soulcatcher said:
If you ever go to Vegas for APA National for either singles or teams, they state the average shot should be around 20 seconds. In some cases it may take longer if there is a tough shot, but on average it should be about 20 sec. The APA manual states that a coaching time out should last no longer than one minute. In our area this is used more as a guideline, since as in the original shot, some situations are tougher than others and there could be a lot of info to impart to the person being coached if the shot is particularly difficult. We try to keep it under the 1 min, but at times it can be 2-3.
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I went down to Vegas for the team tournament and maybe played against the slowest player in the history of time. He was taking over a minute between shots and I had to pee! Bad! Also having a mini in 15 minutes helped with my frustration. I waited until it was my shot and ran my last game in 30 seconds.

There is no reason to take an extra long time shooting. A lot of higher level players are guilty of this all the time. I once had a friend from league pull me aside and ask me to take MORE time in my matches, saying that it is an insult to the other players the way I look when Im playing, like I didnt care what happened, didnt line stuff up, just fired and pocketed balls. I told her, if I lined every shot up and took my time, they'd never get to shoot! (and laughed)
 
Pardon My Rant

PICK UP THE PACE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!

Watching twos, threes, and sometimes fours bang balls around seemingly oblivious to the possibility that the object ball could fall and there will be another shot so it might be a good idea to be in the correct zip code for the next shot is tough to watch. Taking a full minute between these debacles is torture.

Yea, lets look at every angle five times, chalk up three times, call a time out and THEN miss.

Almost as aggravating is the habit of taking 5 minutes or so to decide who will play the next match. :rolleyes: Torture to get to the torture.

I feel better now, thanks.

Courtney
Switching to BCA ASAP
 
I decide who is playing as soon as we get there, its awesome. Sometimes, when the other team puts up, I ask their player who they want to play, they never know what to say to that and then I decide. hahaha.
 
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