APA question

For anyone still interested, I'm told that if you should be playing an APA match and .this were to happen
(hitting the cue ball with the bumper or butt end of the cue), you should kindly remind the offending player
that this is unacceptable. Repeated use of the cue in this manner would result in a sportsmanship violation.

A sportsmanship violation means that while no immediate action is taken as to the offender, the violation is
reported to the LO. Those in charge of the league will threaten the offender accordingly, or otherwise address
the violation appropriately.

So, though there is no published rule per se, for this occasion the official position is that the equipment is to be
used as intended - the cue "tip end" of the cue should be used to strike the cue ball
 
Celophanewrap said:
For anyone still interested, I'm told that if you should be playing an APA match and .this were to happen
(hitting the cue ball with the bumper or butt end of the cue), you should kindly remind the offending player
that this is unacceptable. Repeated use of the cue in this manner would result in a sportsmanship violation.

A sportsmanship violation means that while no immediate action is taken as to the offender, the violation is
reported to the LO. Those in charge of the league will threaten the offender accordingly, or otherwise address
the violation appropriately.

So, though there is no published rule per se, for this occasion the official position is that the equipment is to be
used as intended - the cue "tip end" of the cue should be used to strike the cue ball
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Official position, documented where? I don't disagree with you, but APA has a ton of 'rules lawyers' and it needs to be in writing or else
 
ideologist said:
Or else it is refuted as not a rule
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I suspect it would be refuted anyway.
Refereeing at a at any level beyond league night always calls some rules into question.
The complaint is usually "In our area that's not (or that is) a foul)"
At the upper level level tournaments there is one set of rules. If I have questions or I
anticipate something I'll try to get a clear ruling prior to the event beginning.

When we get in these discussions here, or something questionable happens on league
night, for clarity I'll email the APA. When they respond I'll let you all know and I'll insert
that email into my Team Manual for any future reference as this email will also will.
If during a tournament I'm an referee and a [the] question comes up and my ruling is
refuted I'll take my Team Manual and email to a tournament official and explain my ruling
and why. As long as I have that paper backing me up it's usually a short conversation.
 
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Celophanewrap said:
For anyone still interested, I'm told that if you should be playing an APA match and .this were to happen
(hitting the cue ball with the bumper or butt end of the cue), you should kindly remind the offending player
that this is unacceptable. Repeated use of the cue in this manner would result in a sportsmanship violation.

A sportsmanship violation means that while no immediate action is taken as to the offender, the violation is
reported to the LO. Those in charge of the league will threaten the offender accordingly, or otherwise address
the violation appropriately.

So, though there is no published rule per se, for this occasion the official position is that the equipment is to be
used as intended - the cue "tip end" of the cue should be used to strike the cue ball
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If there is no published rule about use of equipment (even something like "refer to WPA or BCA rules"), how can there be a rule to follow about proper use of equipment? We run into this in bars don't we? Bill said you need to hit 4 rails and then drink 2 shots or you lose if you make the 8 ball. Rules living in someones head, especially those for a league that changes WPA rules to begin with, are not rules. You can't have a sportsmanship violation if there are no rules about how the equipment can't be used, especially when there is no penalty during the game LOL. That's like saying "just wait till your father comes home, but till then you go on doing what you want".

This is not some odd exception to the rules that needs to be dealt with by some head office, proper use of equipment is a general rule of the game. You can't hit the cueball with anything aside the tip of the cue, and that should be stated as such. If not, it is a foul. Second offence is loss of game or match.
 
hang-the-9 said:
If there is no published rule about use of equipment (even something like "refer to WPA or BCA rules"), how can there be a rule to follow about proper use of equipment? We run into this in bars don't we? Bill said you need to hit 4 rails and then drink 2 shots or you lose if you make the 8 ball. Rules living in someones head, especially those for a league that changes WPA rules to begin with, are not rules. You can't have a sportsmanship violation if there are no rules about how the equipment can't be used, especially when there is no penalty during the game LOL. That's like saying "just wait till your father comes home, but till then you go on doing what you want".

This is not some odd exception to the rules that needs to be dealt with by some head office, proper use of equipment is a general rule of the game. You can't hit the cueball with anything aside the tip of the cue, and that should be stated as such. If not, it is a foul. Second offence is loss of game or match.
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Are you an APA Player?

You're asking me like I made this decision and it's my rule. This is what I was told.
One of the over all rules in The APA is that "The APA is the highest authority"
I believe that lorider said earlier that no rule book can cover every conceivable situation.
He's right. Things will come up that need a ruling from an administrator. These rulings,
I suspect, are generally what you might think of as hybrids of other rules that the APA
reserves the right to make rulings on. As I understand it they actually have a "Bible" of
these things they keep so they can refer back to on as they come up.
If you need to know why you'll need to check with them.

As far as sportsmanship violations go, that's just how they work in the APA. For instance,
a common mistake is a team may lose track of how many time out they have taken during
a game so they try to take a time out they don't have. They opposition will remind them they
don't have an available time out. This is not a BIH foul, it's a mistake.

Repeated time out mistakes are likely to be viewed as a sportsmanship violation and eventually
will result in a penalty to be issued by the LO.

Why? you may ask - I don't know, that's just how it works
 
I have a question. Is there a rule against taking your wanker out and peeing in a pocket? And if so ....what's the penalty ?
 
lorider said:
I have a question. Is there a rule against taking your wanker out and peeing in a pocket? And if so ....what's the penalty ?
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The police and the barkeep would have penalties, the APA might just throw you out, but it wouldn't be a game foul LOL
 
lorider said:
No rule book in any league covers everything..quite a few threads on this forum asking for clarification of rules in bcapl ...vnea .....tap etc.

I am not certain what the official ruling would be, but at the very least it was unsportsmanlike conduct or taunting, either of which should be penalized.

Hey LoRider, haven't been playing as much due to new job. Time off is hard to come by. The few times I did get out last week I managed to go to two places that had shootings shortly after I left......well 1 shooting, and 1 damned fool that decided to set himself on fire. These were not dive bars, both were in the mid-town Cooper Young area.
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ideologist said:
The police and the barkeep would have penalties, the APA might just throw you out, but it wouldn't be a game foul LOL
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This incident happened in bcapl. Now I realize its touted as a serious league for serious players.

Pissing in a pocket over a loss it taking the game a little too serious don't you think ? :grin:
 
lorider said:
This incident happened in bcapl. Now I realize its touted as a serious league for serious players.

Pissing in a pocket over a loss it taking the game a little too serious don't you think ? :grin:
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Clearly, you have a lot invested in a league match if your reaction to a loss is pissing into a pocket
 
Celophanewrap said:
Are you an APA Player?

You're asking me like I made this decision and it's my rule. This is what I was told.
One of the over all rules in The APA is that "The APA is the highest authority"
I believe that lorider said earlier that no rule book can cover every conceivable situation.
He's right. Things will come up that need a ruling from an administrator. These rulings,
I suspect, are generally what you might think of as hybrids of other rules that the APA
reserves the right to make rulings on. As I understand it they actually have a "Bible" of
these things they keep so they can refer back to on as they come up.
If you need to know why you'll need to check with them.

As far as sportsmanship violations go, that's just how they work in the APA. For instance,
a common mistake is a team may lose track of how many time out they have taken during
a game so they try to take a time out they don't have. They opposition will remind them they
don't have an available time out. This is not a BIH foul, it's a mistake.

Repeated time out mistakes are likely to be viewed as a sportsmanship violation and eventually
will result in a penalty to be issued by the LO.

Why? you may ask - I don't know, that's just how it works
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I avoid the APA league at all costs, I don't like their Junior Monopoly rules, nor is playing bellow my skill level to win appealing or playing players that are "5s" that run racks every other turn at the table.

It's beyond me how using the wrong end of a cue to play would need a special ruling to find out if it's OK or not. This is why I laugh a bit when people tell me they play in the APA to try to impress me with their skill level or ask if I know "APA rules" when playing in a bar.
 
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