My home town has somewhere around ~150k. To be fair, the single >700 player is out of town and drives in for league.
I wouldn't know how to search my province for players >600. Probably not something fargo rate would support.
APA rule check and a warning
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I wouldn't know how to search my province for players >600. Probably not something fargo rate would support.
I ran down the 'top 100' list for Canada. 30 of them live in Ontario. That ends bottoms out at 678. I'm still at 677
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Currently in FargoRate 100 point difference is double the skill level. Instead, use an intuitive numbering system. 100 -> 10 200 -> 20 300 -> 40 400 -> 80 500 -> 160 600 -> 320 700 -> 640 800 -> 1280 Example, if a 20 (200) play plays a 80 (400). Then an even race is Race to 80 with 60 game...
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Yes, there is no SL 8 in APA 8 ball but many feel that there should be...
I ran down the 'top 100' list for Canada. 30 of them live in Ontario. That ends bottoms out at 678. I'm still at 677
Well get to it! LOL.
Not that I give a fiddler's Foosball about regular CPA, but an 8SL for 8ball makes sense. However that should also come with a bump in the max team handicap as well.
Why? APA 9 ball cap is still 23 and SLs go to 9...
It's harder to maintain a 9SL in 9ball.
In 8ball, as long as your win % is positive you'll eventually be a 7. In 9 ball you need to win by margin to reach a 9SL. That's why a 7/8 or even a 7/7 across both games is more common then 7/9
I have always heard that once you hit SL 7/9 (8B/9B respectively) you are stuck there and cannot go back?
Yup.. all 9s in 9 ball are 7s in 8 ball but not all 7’s are 9s . For sure. I came into the apa a 7 in 9 ball and was a 9 by the end of the first session. Honestly it’s so hard to be a 9 and a have a good team in 9 ball with the 23 rule. You really need some players that our a bunch of 3s who are good enough to win but not good enough to move up lol
It’s pretty hard to go down especially if your well established.
Well... despite what some will say. I'm convinced that the 'equalizer' is constructed to advance players with greater ease then allow them to go down in rating. That said, I'm pretty sure your handicap is only frozen if you've competed on some major level at a given SL. So if you went to Vegas as a SL6 in 8ball, then you can't become a 5 at a later date. I've never heard of a 7/9 frozen rule without a major competition component.
Things may have changed or I may not be all that accurate. One of the few bonuses of being maxed out and frozen, is I don't pay attention to handicapping methodology.
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Well... despite what some will say. I'm convinced that the 'equalizer' is constructed to advance players with greater ease then allow them to go down in rating.
You hit the nail on the head!! NO APA operator will admit this as it makes it easier to break up teams in the hopes they will start a new team. MORE MONEY. I’ve noticed that the opposite actually happens.
I don't think I have ever in person seen someone take a game for a player not marking their pocket vs just calling it. But in all those cases the players ask the other if they are just calling it.
I feel the ones that will make a stink about it are the ones that are themselves most likely to try to cheat when it's their turn to hide fouls, etc...
I feel the ones that will make a stink about it are the ones that are themselves most likely to try to cheat when it's their turn to hide fouls, etc...
It does make it easier to advance players. But not for your reason. That's the excuse people use when they don't want to admit that they've improved or that they got caught cheating, or in their words (because it sounds like a legitimate strategy), 'working' the system. In 25+ years as an APA league operator I've never once raised a player in the hopes that the team would break up and become two teams. In fact, it's quite the opposite. It always comes down to whether I think the player should be higher. If I suspect manipulation as the reason (making someone appear weaker than they actually are, i.e., sandbagging, no matter how you cut it), I often hope the team will break up and go away. That is what makes me MORE MONEY.
It used to be easier, long ago, for the LO to lower a player. But APA took that power out of the LO's hands because it was being overused by LOs who were either incompetent or actually complicit in the cheating. It can still be done, but the LO may have to appeal the skill level to the APA to get it done, all in the interest of curbing the cheating.
In reality, it is actually easier to gain the skills and knowledge necessary to be measured at a higher skill than it is to lose those same skills and knowledge, and the Equalizer is not a system that tries to measure your average performance. It tries to measure how well you play when you play well, and although those cases may become less frequent as you age it doesn't mean the number is wrong. So a lot of what The_JV is talking about is perception, but a small part of that is the necessary reality (unfortunately) of a handicap system.
Can't argue against any of the above. I think we all can accept that the whole "whoopies, a team has to break up" as a convenient byproduct of handicap advancement via the equalizer. To claim that there isn't any built in intent is an insult to those who developed the business model of the APA.
I found it interesting that I was called out by a person who hadn't marked a pocket all night. LOL.
I have been to Vegas so that' might be how that conversation came about. Thanks.
In my relatively few years of playing APA, I have watched two instances where non-marking of a pocket was called and the non-marker claimed that game, and in one instance, match.
One was a team member that got into a hill-hill battle against a guy from another team known for being nit-picky with rules only when it was to their benefit. (so we can't claim ignorance) Our guy and their guy were both down to the eight, and as sometimes happens, they went 5 or 6 innings both missing shots from horrible position. I remember one or two semi-routine shots that were missed, and the pressure just kept mounting on them. Finally their guy sells out and leaves the eight hanging in a corner pocket with the cue about 15" away. Their whole team was consoling their player and generally accepting that outcome. Our guy stepped up and just tapped it in and they immediately started yelling about him not marking the pocket. Our guy was a young guy, and he just let it go and walked away not arguing. As ready as I was to jump into that argument, it never happened and we just took the loss.
One was a team member that got into a hill-hill battle against a guy from another team known for being nit-picky with rules only when it was to their benefit. (so we can't claim ignorance) Our guy and their guy were both down to the eight, and as sometimes happens, they went 5 or 6 innings both missing shots from horrible position. I remember one or two semi-routine shots that were missed, and the pressure just kept mounting on them. Finally their guy sells out and leaves the eight hanging in a corner pocket with the cue about 15" away. Their whole team was consoling their player and generally accepting that outcome. Our guy stepped up and just tapped it in and they immediately started yelling about him not marking the pocket. Our guy was a young guy, and he just let it go and walked away not arguing. As ready as I was to jump into that argument, it never happened and we just took the loss.
I agree.
I'll disagree here.
Any "system" that ignores that the whole goal of the game nine-ball is to make nine ball, and barely rewards doing so with any more weight than that of making any other individual ball on the table isn't doing much more than inventing their very own game…
I absolutely agree that the 7/9 SL maximum is completely unfair and ridiculous though.
I can see why you, and many others, would disagree. As gamblers and guys who take the game seriously, it's all about the win. Yes there was a time I played to win but towards the end of my organized league play it was all about the fun. If I can win the match without making the 9B I don't really care, as long as it was fun. And speaking of fun, I'm probably the only player you'll meet who has actually directed their opponenet(s) on how to shoot a shot. I like to teach also.