It has been my experience that CTE users are quick to accept the concepts of the TK system. I'm sure you will be pleased with a TK dvd in the future.
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It has been my experience that CTE users are quick to accept the concepts of the TK system. I'm sure you will be pleased with a TK dvd in the future.
What are you talking about?
You have zero clue what's happening here and yet you can't help but to put it down. I am at the home of a wonderful human being enjoying the hospitality of his lovely family and enjoying the fascination with pool that all lovers of pool share.
Regardless of whether you agree with what Stan teaches or not you could have the manners to stay out it. Now, as for the actual lessons and what Stan teaches, seeing is believing. You are more than welcome to disprove CTE and Stan's Pro One.
I assume you have a pool table and access to a video camera. Stan has many videos up on YouTube covering pocketing and banking balls.
Here is one of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14srrn2uEg
Why don't you set up the same shot and shoot it in all the pockets the way Stan does? Then you can explain to all of us what the "trick" is. Should be easy for you right?
If you were here then you could see and experience for yourself that there is no illusion here. It's simply learning how to use a set of keys that unlocks virtually every shot on the table. Today I spent hours shooting shots on the ten footer and the method Stan taught me held up on the ten foot table just as well as the nine foot table.
Later Andi and I went to the local pool room, Rack and Cue and I played some Kentucky Bank Pool and using CTE I held my own making some very nice banks - VERY NICE BANKS - that frankly would have been near impossible for me previously if I had tried them just by pure feel.
I actually feel sad for folks like you who think that this is just some sort of hocus pocus. I am about to play a match against a guy for $10,000 because he decided to bully me with this very attitude 12 years ago. I am going to rob him on camera in front of 2000 people on the net and a live audience. How am I going to rob him? Simply because I have the key to making shots now, an extremely accurate key. A key created by Hal Houle and further refined by Stan Shuffett that adds hundreds of more shots to my arsenal that I can now consistently make.
Does this require practice? Of course it does. Does it require a disciplined approach? Of course it does. My muscles ache right now from the new body positions I have to adopt to end up on the correct line. But the reward is the sweet sound of the ball hitting the back of the pocket and the sweet lie of the ball on banking where if it doesn't go it lays right in the small half diamond square which is what all one pocket players want. For one pocket especially Stan's methods are the nuts.
So again please fire up your video camera and duplicate Stan's videos and show us all how it's done.
My friend Andi is a very good player from Germany. Yesterday he tried some shot under the curtain with poor results. Out of twenty shots he might have made one and hung one and the rest were no where near the pocket. Stan shot them in easily, direct to the pocket and one and two rail banks. Today after I got Andi a lesson of his own he was splitting the pocket under the curtain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJTJh05FEKw
This method is the most objective ball-to-ball method I have ever seen or used. It's truly unlocking just about any shot. I challenged myself on the ten footer to find shots where there is no CTE aim and frankly there are almost none that come up frequently.
And lastly Satori, this is not all that Stan teaches. He is a thoroughly qualified instructor who can take the student through the mechanics with the ability to correct stroke errors and stance positions. He also can teach high level strategy in all games. If I were a professional player and the money were there in pro pool to support having a full time coach then Stan would be on my very short list of people I would want to be a full time coach. But if the money were there then it's a surety Stan would be pursuing a professional career of his own.
Hey John,
I'm sure you've gained some invaluable knowledge on your extended trip!
I can only hope to come see Stan one day! I was wondering if you changed
from a half ball offset to a half tip offset, since you've been at Stan's? Good
Luck the rest of the way! And thank you for the great case!
I'm sure you've gained some invaluable knowledge on your extended trip!
I can only hope to come see Stan one day! I was wondering if you changed
from a half ball offset to a half tip offset, since you've been at Stan's? Good
Luck the rest of the way! And thank you for the great case!
John,
You see the problem with YouTube videos is there is no way to prove that it is in fact CTE or TK that Stan or I would be using. People feel as if we are really using a regular aiming system to pocket the balls. You yourself might be doubting the validity of the video I posted for all I know therefore I will not be doing a YouTube video that proves nothing. Even a live demonstration of CTE is not actual proof but there is no mistaking live TK.
I will give you and you only a live demo of TK if you drive to Hawaii to see me. I want it to be private though because the last live demo I gave was at Southern Hills Baptist Church in North Carolina and after they saw my ability they wanted to perform an execution because they believed I practiced witchcraft. I am very careful who I perform in front of these days.
My friend I will give you $1000 CASH if you can produce a video that duplicates this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14srrn2uEg
And this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4KYhhzduhM
As long as the majority of AZB members who chime in agree that your video is uncut like Stan's are then you simply get the cash. We are not betting. You can use any method you want as long as you make legal shots with a normal table setup. I don't care how you do it. Take as much time as you need to duplicate the shots in the order shown. You must make all the shots in the same amount of tries or less than Stan did it.
Practice them off camera for as long as you need to. We will use the time of this post to determine how long it takes you to get there.
If you can easily do it in one hour then you earned $1000 for that hour. If it takes you months then at least you get the pride of showing us all that with months of practice you were finally able to do what Stan demonstrates. Maybe you will never be able to duplicate it and you will come on here to admit you're wrong.
I mean if it's all a trick and you know the trick then show us. I know the trick....it's called objective ball to ball aiming in a very specific way for the shot you want to do. Not estimating, not guessing, but a very specific set of instructions to position the body and sight the shot leading to the shooting position addressing the ball. This is a learned skill not some illusion.
It is similar to sleight of hand though in that it looks like magic to those who don't have the skills to know how it's done. Performing sleight of hand tricks is a skill as well and those who can do it well are able to amaze those who can't. And sleight of hand magicians are constantly inventing new methods to one-up their colleagues. Thus everyone in the business gets better and better and the things they do seem more and more like true wizardry. Yet, it's all simply a great amount of skill using learned methods.
So get to work and show us how easy it is.
I have changed to Stan's way 100%. I will be amending all my videos on YouTube with captions to reflect that and encourage the viewers to go straight to Stan's method. His methods are amazingly accurate.
I was assuming as much, especially when you stated your body was a little sore! I have
always used the half tip offset.
I liked your convergence video. i took that and ran with it, extending and concentrating
on the lines coming from behind the cue ball. That was a great help, along with a few phone calls to Stan and a day with Stevie.
Raise the price and I'll see what I can do. For $10,000 I'll try to let you see me do it without missing. It will be a challenge but if you are going to give me a free roll I'll see what I can do.
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OK you get 100,000 if you do it.
John,
Do you know me? I highly doubt that you do based on our conversations on here. If you don't know me then you will have no issue with my image being blacked out in the video.
Keeping it real... this place would not be as fun for me if I could not post anonymously.
If you agree to the image then I'll give you what you want for $1000.
Deal?
Do you know me? I highly doubt that you do based on our conversations on here. If you don't know me then you will have no issue with my image being blacked out in the video.
Keeping it real... this place would not be as fun for me if I could not post anonymously.
If you agree to the image then I'll give you what you want for $1000.
Deal?
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No. You have to show another human other than Stan Shuffett or anyone identified as a CTE/ProOne user.
You can troll anonymously all you want. I don't care who you put on the table as long as they are identified and can be contacted.
I am very confident that you can't get anyone else who will be able to duplicate Stan's videos in any reasonable length of time that makes it worth $1000 to either of you. Again the time stamp is the 14th of February 2014. Go for it.
I don't care who YOU are. We are talking about doing something on the table that is extraordinary. I assume that you can't do it and anonymity is not the issue unless you are Patrick Johnson in real life. And if you are then you certainly can't duplicate Stan's video.
If you or your player wants to do this with a ski mask on then go ahead. I figure that you are thinking of some trick where you take Stan's video and edit out Stan's features. This seems like the kind of game you want to play. But whether you are thinking this or not the fact is that Stan has those videos up, he says he is using ProOne AND according to my visit this week he can teach other people how to duplicate the shots using the methods he states he is using.
So PJ, I will call you PJ because it seems like a good name for you since you seem to be of the same mindset as the banned Patrick Johnson, so PJ, the point is not that the viewer cannot tell what method of aiming is being used. The point is that the viewer sees balls dropping and can choose for themselves if what they see it interesting enough to try the method that is being advertised or not.
Every viewer can go to the table and try the shots for themselves and if they find them to be quite difficult to duplicate consistently then they might just conclude that perhaps Stan has something worthwhile to teach. That's the point.
If you have a counterpoint then put it out there on video. Prove your point with deeds because you fail to do it with words. I am here at the source reporting on what I am personally experiencing. I have a witness who is a very good player from Germany. Both of us would stand up in court and testify to what we have seen and learned and be happy to demonstrate shotmaking using ProOne. You or your proxy cannot duplicate this shotmaking using feel without being very very very lucky. I don't care who you get if they are a pure feel player they won't get there. I don't even care if you get a top pro they won't get there either.
This challenge is open to everyone not just you. Anyone who reads this go try and duplicate Stan's videos and show us your progress. I am confident that no player on this forum who does not use CTE/ProOne will be able to get close to duplicating these videos.
I know it's a hard pill to swallow PJ that there might be a way to aim and approach the game that isn't in your textbook. But that's the way it is regardless. And those who open their minds and try to learn it generally end up with a much deeper love for the game because it unlocks shots that previously were truly out of reach when approaching the game from a pure trial and error perspective.
is the $1K an open offer JB?
LOL I will put in a week of practice at a chance for a stack
Regardless of what method, whether it works, or whatever... I can't wait for the Jersey match between you and Lou.
More than anything I hope that win or lose... the bad blood will be left at the table, and there will be a earned respect between the two of you, or you will both will decide to just call it a truce and let the money talk after the match.
I think it is sad to see TWO of the most influential personalities in our game be at eachothers throats so much. I completely understand not getting along, as there are many people whom I don't get along with, but I think it has gotten out of hand, and I truly hope that the match next month will atleast minimize some of the hatred.
Best of luck to both of you, and may the best man win! (and that doesn't mean the best system wins... because either one of you could poorly represent the system you defend)
LOL I will put in a week of practice at a chance for a stack
Regardless of what method, whether it works, or whatever... I can't wait for the Jersey match between you and Lou.
More than anything I hope that win or lose... the bad blood will be left at the table, and there will be a earned respect between the two of you, or you will both will decide to just call it a truce and let the money talk after the match.
I think it is sad to see TWO of the most influential personalities in our game be at eachothers throats so much. I completely understand not getting along, as there are many people whom I don't get along with, but I think it has gotten out of hand, and I truly hope that the match next month will atleast minimize some of the hatred.
Best of luck to both of you, and may the best man win! (and that doesn't mean the best system wins... because either one of you could poorly represent the system you defend)
Go for it. Unless you already know Stan's ProOne method or some other form of CTE that works equally well I honestly do not believe you will be able to duplicate what he put on video in any amount of time that is reasonable to you. But wear yourself out.
As for Lou - listen, if you had learned something new and great and some jerkoff who doesn't even know you were to go off on you and tell you it's worthless and you aren't any good and you will never be good as long as you mess around with such methods then you might bristle up too. And then if that same guy went on to call the teachers of these methods frauds and conmen you might be offended if you knew those people to be good and honest.
Lou is ONLY influential on here. Because he can write so eloquently people automatically assume he knows more than he does and is better than he is. In his local area he is reviled and barely tolerated. In fact the most diplomatic description of him that I have heard is simply "Lou is Lou".
Do you know how this match came to be? It's because I put up a post on One Pocket.org detailing how CTE helped me personally in a one pocket match playing $80 one pocket. I begged Lou and SJD to stay out of it but they couldn't do it. I told Lou he has 9:8 for $100 a game. The barking then led to someone else making a 20k challenge to me and I responded with a 10k challenge. Lou said I was a two bit sucker if I didn't want to play for 20k. You see this guy is nothing more than a playground bully. He won't dare challenge anyone with known skill to play for any amount. He thinks he has the nuts and can steal from me but he will find out that the first time I beat him wasn't a fluke.
I don't think of myself as influential. But what I am is a staunch advocate of CTE/ProOne because it just flat out works. So I am the head cheerleader so to speak. I don't like bullies who try to keep other people from trying methods that might help their game, I say might but I really mean that it's more like 95% WILL help their game.
Lou on the other hand is one of those people who can't just simply say it's not for him, he has to go further and say it's a sham and that Stan Shuffett is a con-artist. And he dogs everyone who steps up to testify the other way. So I get it that you think it's a shame that Lou and are at odds here. But don't be confused by his pretty writing because the fact is that it's self-centered, often laden with falsehoods, and lacking in actual substance. In ten years Lou has rarely posted anything that is actually helpful to any player. Stan on the other hand posts almost exclusively content that is helpful to improve anyone's game.
I can tell you right now that the bad blood will NOT end with the match. I extended my hand in peace twice and Lou broke the peace once and rebuffed my apology another time.
Win or lose, Lou will be Lou and CTE/ProOne will continue to gain ground as the solid method it is. Lou and his fellow naysayers couldn't kill it with all their negativity and losing one match to a inflated bobblehead like him won't kill it now. But if I win, then what? I think you guys will get treated to some fun one pocket where I show you exactly what CTE/ProOne can do for a full time case maker/part-time pool player.
I know you didn't before, but now I beleive you understand why some people were asking you to take down your videos in the past because they were misleading and not showing the correct way to use CTE/Pro1.
No one asked me to take down my videos. Furthermore Stan agrees with me that the way I showed CTE on my videos is one way to do it just not the best way.
And I have said many times on my videos that I do NOT do it the way Stan does it nor have I ever tried to explain or teach ProOne on my videos. What I have done is state many times that I feel Stan's way is more accurate and encourage people to go to view his videos, go to his website, buy his DVDs and go get instruction from him.
Now, I will make comments on all my videos with a much stronger message to that effect. I have had many people come to me and thank me for helping them to get started with CTE. In fact just last night in Campbellsville at the Rack and Cue a total stranger said he recognized me from YouTube. Then later he came up to me and thanked me saying he had learned some helpful tips for CTE from me. I then encouraged him to go to Stan especially since Stan is just down the road.
Now that I have a proper grounding in ProOne I feel confident to show and tell people that it's the evolution from basic CTE and would have no problem demonstrating it with some degree of proficiency. Previously I was quite lazy and did not really try to "get it' from Stan's perspective.
Now with 15 hours of solid practice at Stan's house I feel like I was a dumbass not to go all-in from the first moment I got the first DVD.
First of all... If it came across that I was picking sides, I wasn't... at all.
I just recently moved to STL and although I have asked Lou if he wouldn't mind showing me some moves as it pertains to one pocket... I have never met the man, and the only personal experience I have had with him is from the forum.
I would honestly love a chance to play with BOTH of you, seperately of course, as I certainly would not want to be in the middle of that.
As it pertains to you saying you are not influential... I would have to disagree, anyone with a reputation of quality product and customer service such as yourself, not to mention the industry contribution that you have made in cases is HUGE, has to be considered one of influence.
I was not suggesting that any negative feelings would go away, I was just hoping that after such a big match... the results would speak for themselves, and there would be less to argue about.
Regardless of all of that, I thank you for all that you have done for pool and the case industry, and I thank Lou for his knowledge of one pocket and being the initial liason to Cyclop Balls... you both are pool treasures, and the bad blood has certainly brought some attention, I just hope it doesn't get toxic past the point it already has.
If you are ever back in the STL area, I would love to get together and play some (I don't gamble anymore though), and pick your brain about CTE... I have been a ghost ball user for over a decade, and seem to have had good luck with it. I watched your video about why you didn't think GB was the best route... but I didn't really get where you were going with it, and I think an actual discussion face to face would better help me to understand it.
And I truly mean that I wish you both the best of luck. May the rolls be in equal distribution and may the best man come out on top!
I didn't take it as picking sides at all. I was only explaining how we got here. As for the systems I would be happy to explain it to you any time.
Good luck trying to play Lou. From what I understand he is quite picky about whom he allows to play him. On some level I suppose I should feel honored that he would try and steal from me.
I will be back in St. Louis soon, I like the people there and had a great time.
JB... just sent you a PM
Stan suggested that for my $1000 challenge that it also be on similar equipment. He said it's easier to get lucky on tables with buckets and make these shots by feel. So I will amend it to this.
ANYONE who duplicates Stan's videos listed above, both of them, and makes all the shots in as many or less tries than Stan did it on a Diamond with 4.5" pro cut pockets gets the $1000.
Anyone who does it on any other equipment gets $100. So there you go, bartables, 5.5" pockets, whatever, post your video. Frankly I feel that even on the most generous of equipment it's highly unlikely that any "feel" player is going to be able to do these shots in less tries than Stan took. But it's open to everyone, go for it.
ANYONE who duplicates Stan's videos listed above, both of them, and makes all the shots in as many or less tries than Stan did it on a Diamond with 4.5" pro cut pockets gets the $1000.
Anyone who does it on any other equipment gets $100. So there you go, bartables, 5.5" pockets, whatever, post your video. Frankly I feel that even on the most generous of equipment it's highly unlikely that any "feel" player is going to be able to do these shots in less tries than Stan took. But it's open to everyone, go for it.
Are you serious about this? I will do it on a 9' pro am with pro cut pockets if you are.
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