Automatic aiming

So it's personal and not for everyone? Or everyone can play like Earl for 50k if they just get out of their own head?
Have you tried this for yourself? Please, please I'm dying to know where you are doing these feats of strength?
Everyone can do it if they allow it to happen. You can also go a long way with more deliberate shooting...but you will fatigue faster than a player relying more heavily on muscle memory imo because you are doing more work. I think john schmidt and Mike sigel to me look like they are doing a lot of work every shot. I get tired watching them :)
 

couldnthinkof01

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You shouldn't play any differently in a tournament than you do at home. Besides, if you are getting nervous playing in the local tournament, then you are not playing in enough local tournaments...same with regional, national, worlds. Does a roofer get nervous on a roof? He could fall to his death, but he does it every day. Who gives an f about a tournament or gambling lol...its nothing.
Sometimes the pressure is from the layout, sometimes the pressure is because I hate losing to Josh from down the road, sometimes the pressure is from shot itself, sometimes the pressure is from work, sometimes my wife has me upset and I have no patience left for pool shot stress, sometimes its because I haven't played in a while, sometimes its because I ate Korean, sometimes I just miss. How do you deal with it, I can safely assume you are competing on a regular basis?
 
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garczar

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You shouldn't play any differently in a tournament than you do at home. Besides, if you are getting nervous playing in the local tournament, then you are not playing in enough local tournaments...same with regional, national, worlds. Does a roofer get nervous on a roof? He could fall to his death, but he does it every day. Who gives an f about a tournament or gambling lol...its nothing.
You're clueless. Everybody get nervous. Keep spewing your lame shit.
 
You're clueless. Everybody get nervous. Keep spewing your lame shit.
You think if you played in 1000 tv table finals at the us open you'd get nervous anymore? Heck no. Yeah you'd get nervous your first time if you let yourself...but you aren't nervous because of pool...you are nervous because you are on tv with bright lights, surrounded by an audience. Don't let the environment intimidate you! It's pua 101.
 

couldnthinkof01

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You think if you played in 1000 tv table finals at the us open you'd get nervous anymore? Heck no. Yeah you'd get nervous your first time if you let yourself...but you aren't nervous because of pool...you are nervous because you are on tv with bright lights, surrounded by an audience. Don't let the environment intimidate you! It's pua 101.
I changed my mind. You're a genius.
 

Guy Manges

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I have come across some videos discussing this and it should be termed shooting with muscle memory. It is not really aiming at all. It encompasses your walking, chalking, stance, drop, english, stroke...all of these are being done subconsciously.

Like when I hear players talk about its 2 tips of left english, or that its a half ball hit or 30%, 60% etc I just roll my eyes.
First of all there are an infinite amount of points on the cueball so you can never purposefully ever hit the exact english you are trying to. I don't think its ever even possible to hit center ball...you are always imparting some sort of english. Secondly, there are an infinite amount of degrees between 30% half ball hit to 60%...so all this half ball hit stuff is garbage because there is no such thing as exactly a half ball hit. Not to mention there is deflection, swerve and throw to take into account, and distance for all of that to take, and speed etc...good luck figuring all that out deliberately, and consistently. If you could figure all that out deliberately, you would still need to deliver the cue perfectly to complete the shot, but if you could deliver the cue perfectly to complete the shot, then you already have the muscle memory for the shot and don't need to be deliberate about it at all...in fact you will mess yourself up.

The only way to play consistently and at your best level is to get out of your own way and let your body do the shooting...it will account for all of these "infinites". I never stand above a shot and think about what english I need, or the path of the cueball, or the speed...all of this is done subconsciously...even standing behind the cueball is not done in a deliberate way like foot placement etc...its all subconscious as well. I basically walk from shot to shot, landing on the english I need for the shape I want, and deliver the cue at the speed I need. That's it.

You do need the fundamentals, and if you see me play my fundamentals are sound, but it is NOT deliberate.

The only way to get to this level is to play and let your body remember every possibility so eventually it starts to recognize situations and will go on autopilot.

I recall seeing a youtube video of Ronny Osullivan on some podcast. They wanted to watch Ronny do a 147 so they spread all the reds out evenly...but it totally messed Ronny up because his muslce memory wasn't developed for that kind of layout. He even said it would be easier if they left the reds clustered. This is also true for chess...they tested some grand masters who could remember multiple layouts of chess games, and if the board was wiped, the grand masters could replace the pieces easily from memory...but if the pieces were just skewed around the board randomly, and not in some "chess" layout, they could not recall it.

Typing a great example of the power of muscle memory...I can type 80 wpm but if you gave me a pen and paper I could not write out the keyboard layout. It is all mapped via muscle memory. At first it was tedious, and I had to think about where each letter was...but as time went on my fingers just started finding the keys...to the point where now, when I am totally flowing, I am actually reading ahead of what my fingers are typing!

Pool is no different...at first you will need to think about EVERY aspect but in time you should be relying more on muscle memory and less on being deliberate.

I am sharing this because hopefully it will enlighten (and speed up) some of the tedious, methodical, painstakingly slow play out there...even at the professional level.
Very well done... Guy, funny how all use different words to come to the same equation...
 
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Cameron Smith

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You think if you played in 1000 tv table finals at the us open you'd get nervous anymore? Heck no. Yeah you'd get nervous your first time if you let yourself...but you aren't nervous because of pool...you are nervous because you are on tv with bright lights, surrounded by an audience. Don't let the environment intimidate you! It's pua 101.
I’m not sure how much snooker you watch, but HD and fast frame rates have made it clear how nervous those guys get. It’s not uncommon to see the top guys shaking like a leaf when they are on the shot.
 

Poolmanis

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You think if you played in 1000 tv table finals at the us open you'd get nervous anymore? Heck no. Yeah you'd get nervous your first time if you let yourself...but you aren't nervous because of pool...you are nervous because you are on tv with bright lights, surrounded by an audience. Don't let the environment intimidate you! It's pua 101.
yeah. just get first to 1000 tv table finals. after that all will be ez
 

WilliamK

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You shouldn't play any differently in a tournament than you do at home.

It should be the other way round... you shouldn't play differently at home to when you are in a tournament.

Does a roofer get nervous on a roof?

The roofer doesn't fall because he is mindful of where he is at all times and extremely cautious. It is carelessness that kills and carelessness that causes a miss.
 

Nick B

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All nonsense.

You might not be able to do these things every time on demand, but they certainly can be done - for that matter you don't need to be "mathematically exact" to get the needed results.

pj
chgo
Double what my brother from Chicago said.
 

straightline

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Everyone can do it if they allow it to happen. You can also go a long way with more deliberate shooting...but you will fatigue faster than a player relying more heavily on muscle memory imo because you are doing more work. I think john schmidt and Mike sigel to me look like they are doing a lot of work every shot. I get tired watching them :)
Only CTE can do that and it doesn't work.
 

WobblyStroke

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Yes, but I also wanted to mention that you reach a point where you are basically just shooting shape...the actual object ball is insignificant, its just a means to an end...the end being the position for the next shot. When I'm walking around the table to the next shot my whole "pre-shot routine" aka muscle memory is feeling the position I want to develop, not the actual shot...whereas most players/pros are focusing on the actual shot, focusing on side spin, weight, and follow through they want to get desired position.
All nonsense. Shoot the shape! It's the equivalent of my typing analogy where you are reading ahead of your fingers. When you are walking around the table, chalking whatever, you should already be feeling the position you want to develop and line up to that...this will do the "aiming" for you.

This is why 8 balls and 9 balls etc can be missed because you are suddenly not playing position on them...so it messes with you because "aiming" basically comes from your positional play. This is why players will play imaginary position to somewhere on the table.
This is actually how I play too. If I don't choose position, my 'aim' isn't as crisp but having a clear vision for the shot makes pulling it off more likely. You often see what you're talking about in young pros especially where they pick a shot due to their inexperience where the position they desire and the pot don't align (always fun to hear Earl call them out on it when he commentates). These guys will often get the shape at the cost of the pot bc, as you mention, they are more playing CB shape off the OB than OB into pocket with a given speed/spin on the CB. I fall prey to this myself as I certainly have less experience than these 'inexperienced' pros. And ye, playing shape off the money ball is a must as a result.
 

maha

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pressure is relative to the player. some succumb to it and some just pass it off and it doesn't affect them much.

if you play under pressure or gamble often for higher stakes, you usually, but not everyone gets accustomed to it and adjusts to the limits they can tolerate.
 
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