Balabushka inspired cue

[duke@neo.rr.com]

what?

That explains a lot.

Jim

what exactly does that explain jimbo? what?...I'm not allowed to own a cue? at least we all know that I own some kind of cue. we cannot say the same about you. why do you never post any pics? is it because you are a poser in the world of billiards and you hide behind your computer to discuss issues in which you feel you need to debate with everyone? is it because you don't own any billiard equipment? is it because you don't own a cue made by one of the "great" cue makers you speak of and are afraid everyone will ridicule you for being a hippocrite? you talk of some cue makers (dzuricky for example) as making "junk" because they don't have the "southwest" reputation for quality. guess what? there are other cue makers besides tim scruggs, and southwest, etc... that produce quality cues whether you want to believe it or not! so jimbo...what does my still owning this cue explain? I'm sure we would like to know.

 

[buddha162]

you talk of some cue makers (dzuricky for example) as making "junk" because they don't have the "southwest" reputation for quality.

This is not the first time you put words in Jimbo's mouth. This forum has a search function, please: find me the post where Jimbo (or anyone else, for that matter) said DZ made junk cues.

You are the one beating a dead horse. You brought up Jimbo's name long after the cue-design theft thread is finished, in separate discussions.

-Roger

 

[duke@neo.rr.com]

what??

This is not the first time you put words in Jimbo's mouth. This forum has a search function, please: find me the post where Jimbo (or anyone else, for that matter) said DZ made junk cues.

You are the one beating a dead horse. You brought up Jimbo's name long after the cue-design theft thread is finished, in separate discussions.

-Roger

did you not see when jimbo said that any cue maker worth a grain of salt would even consider making a "copy" of a famous cue?? did you? didn't think so! shut up! if I brought up jimbo's name, it sure wasn't about cue design theft. it was about his love for dis-agreement with others. jimbo must have nothing else to do than sit at home and look for things to argue about with others. I have not once seen him have an actual discussion with anyone on this forum without dis-respecting someone else's cue, or their actions, or something. and as for you...you must not follow these discussions very closely or you would have read where jimbo said this about dzuricky in general. it seems like if a cue isn't made by southwest, tim scruggs, gina, or any of the other "big name" guys out there, he just brushes them off as not being worth spit. whether you want to believe it or not...there are good "no name" cue makers out there. you should try one from these guys sometime...you may be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Murray Tucker]

it seems like if a cue isn't made by southwest, tim scruggs, gina, or any of the other "big name" guys out there, he just brushes them off as not being worth spit.

That is not a accurate statement.

 

[duke@neo.rr.com]

I happen to know many cuemakers and I don't know any that are good who believe that stealing designs is OK.If anyone here has access to a top cue maker feel free to ask them in person how they feel about this practice and I think you’ll find that they almost all agree with my stance here.

Jim[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
ok jimbo, time to step up. you want to talk cue design theft again, here's your chance to knock one of the favorites on this website "skip weston". have you seen his "tribute" to George Balabushka? I don't see anyone knocking him for doing this. why do you insult one cue maker for doing this "wrong" theft of design, but not another. as we know...almost every cue maker I have seen has made a copy or an "influenced" cue from Balabushka or szamboti. here is a link to a skip weston balabushka inspired cue, so you can insult him as well and say he is no good for making this cue when you have said before that he is one of the best up-and coming cue makers today. enjoy! I'm sure you will have nothing negative to say about him, but I figured I'd call you out on this anyway!http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21212&item=7125359572&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

 

[cuedoctor]

Jimbo

You are a fool and I disagree with every thing you wrote there.

Jim

YOUR THE FOOL ASSHOLE, ASK ANY CUEMAKER WHAT THEY THINK OF DESIGN THEFT????THERE ALL MAKEING COPIES OF FAMOUS CUEMAKERS,BARRY MAKES COPIES OF HIS DAD'S,PAUL MAKES COPIES OF GUS,SKIP MAKES COPIES OF GEORGE,AND ON AND ON.WHO WHOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ASK?.

 

[SplicedPoints]

I personally don't think its right that we keep referring to Skip's work during the discussions. He's making some really incredible cues. Although he does a lot of cues that are very traditional in looking and resemblance the styles of other cue makers, I dont' think he should be singled out as he's not the only one who has done similar things. A lot of cue makers have done so. Skip's not trying to misrepresent his cues as being someone else's work. He signs them with his own name and he stands behind his work.

 

[classiccues]

Jim[/B][/COLOR]

ok jimbo, time to step up. you want to talk cue design theft again, here's your chance to knock one of the favorites on this website "skip weston". have you seen his "tribute" to George Balabushka? I don't see anyone knocking him for doing this. why do you insult one cue maker for doing this "wrong" theft of design, but not another. as we know...almost every cue maker I have seen has made a copy or an "influenced" cue from Balabushka or szamboti. here is a link to a skip weston balabushka inspired cue, so you can insult him as well and say he is no good for making this cue when you have said before that he is one of the best up-and coming cue makers today. enjoy! I'm sure you will have nothing negative to say about him, but I figured I'd call you out on this anyway!http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21212&item=7125359572&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW[/QUOTE]

Duke,
This Skip is a bad example and not what Jim is talking about, or maybe it is on a lighter scale.? Balabushka never, if he did I haven't seen one, made this cue using ivory. Plus the numerous other material differences. Even with my definition, its on the low end of an inspired cue. Now if the other one was on the auction, the pearl and the steel joint, now you got something on the higher end of an inspired cue. Low meaning light to moderate inspiration high being closer to the real thing.

Joe

 

[duke@neo.rr.com]

what?

I personally don't think its right that we keep referring to Skip's work during the discussions. He's making some really incredible cues. Although he does a lot of cues that are very traditional in looking and resemblance the styles of other cue makers, I dont' think he should be singled out as he's not the only one who has done similar things. A lot of cue makers have done so. Skip's not trying to misrepresent his cues as being someone else's work. He signs them with his own name and he stands behind his work.

it's not fair to bring up skip weston because he make incredible cues???? what does this have to do with anything? Dzuricky makes one heck of a cue and he has been ridiculed here!! what is the difference? I never said he was the only one doing this as everyone does it. don't put words into my mouth as you can read what I wrote. Dzuricky wasn't trying to pass my cue off as an original either and he stands behind EVERYTHING he sells. I'm tired of people standing up for one individual cue maker because they think that "this cue maker does outstanding work." skip may be a good up and coming cue maker (never had the pleasure of trying one yet) but if one cue maker is going to be ridiculed...let's get them all in there and blame them all for doing something "wrong"!! the topic of this thread has gone from me showing off my cue to yet ANOTHER topic on "cue design theft" so let's discuss it like it should be discussed. if cue design theft is so wrong, let's say it's wrong for everyone regardless of whether or not we like one particular cue maker better than the other! let's not let any one cue maker hide behind the fact that you think he makes incredible cues so he should be excused. skip may be an excellent cue maker and this is nothing personal against him, but if this topic is going to be discussed right, everyone must be included.

 

[pbat2751]

No Paul you're talking about my Brother's team.

The Miami Dolphins. ;-)

Jim



Good picks lots of cash, look out
GO COWBOYS

It must of been those damn orange shirts....

 

[Fred Agnir]

why do you insult one cue maker for doing this "wrong" theft of design, but not another.

I am amazed that this far into these threads you've failed to actually read any of it and understand the basic disagreement. I suggest to print this one out and read it over and over until you actually understand it.

It's obvious that most people who buy cues haven't thought for one second on the ramifications of copying cues. Now, anyone who has read these posts who hadn't given it a second thought will at least give it one. You on the other hand, the owner of the cue in question, a cue that you represented as "the last Balabushka" are vehemently defending it. I think more than anything, it was your gleeful attitude and yes, your suggestion that your cue was indeed a Balabushka that deserved a knock. Of course, you deleted the thread.

If you didn't own the cue, I think you would be like many of the other people who at least would now give second thoughts to the copying practice as one that many find objectionable. At the same time, there are some that do not find it objectionable.

The question as it has always has been asked is, "where do you draw the line?" Is making a cue exactly like a special Balabushka fine? I don't think so. Is representing a cue as a Balabushka fine (like you did)? I don't think so. Is making traditional style cues in the same way that the past makers made fine? I think so. Is making a direct copy of a Balabushka that Skip is doing fine? I'm ok with the ones I've seen, but that's just me. So, for one reason or another, there are certain Balabushkas that aren't necessarily his design, but more a design of the times that are IMO okay to copy. But, there are others that are no question his designs. Those, IMO, are not okay to ripoff. You picked one that IMO shouldn't be copied. It was one of the few designs that he really started to put more effort into detailed inlays, rather than diamonds and dots.

Fred



Fred

 

[JimBo]

what exactly does that explain jimbo? what?...

It explains why you drug the topic up again for no reason, must be you're looking to relist the cue and needed to get some extra publicity. It's your MO to whore your cues and speak of how great they are just before the big push to try and sell them. Once more you're very consistent with your actions.

I'm not allowed to own a cue?

You can own and sell all the cues you want, you can also try to use this site to advertise them, but remember we are all on to your move. The best thing is people don't care because they like to look at cues, they know why you're doing it and still don't care, good luck with the auction

at least we all know that I own some kind of cue. we cannot say the same about you.

Who cares if I own a cue? Do I need to own a cue in order to post here? Do I need to own a cue to voice an opinion?? Does owning a cue give me some sort of credibility?? If the cue I happen to own is very nice will that make what I say hold more clout? Why do you care what I own? Should I post pics to brag or just before I try to sell it on e-bay?

why do you never post any pics?

Because I'm not trying to brag or advertise, and maybe I don't even own a cue worth looking at, you never know.

is it because you are a poser in the world of billiards and you hide behind your computer to discuss issues in which you feel you need to debate with everyone?

I don't hide, I'm very well known, I'll be at DCC next week and I'm always at Valley Forge, anyone who needs to meet me can do so very easily.


is it because you don't own any billiard equipment?

Yup this could be it, again what does it matter?

is it because you don't own a cue made by one of the "great" cue makers you speak of and are afraid everyone will ridicule you for being a hippocrite?

No matter who's cue I own doesn't change what I have typed or the opinion I have voiced.

you talk of some cue makers (dzuricky for example) as making "junk" because they don't have the "southwest" reputation for quality.

This never happened, you can keep saying it, but it's a lie and unlike you all my posts stay up, I have never deleted or changed something I've written, feel free to quote where I have insulted DZ's quality. I'll be waiting to see this quote.

guess what? there are other cue makers besides tim scruggs, and southwest, etc... that produce quality cues whether you want to believe it or not!

I don't believe I have ever said anything to the contrary, it's funny how in your attempt to gain some interest for a cue you're trying to sell you've completely tried to change the issues here, I wonder if this will get you a few extra hits on your e-bay auction?

so jimbo...what does my still owning this cue explain? I'm sure we would like to know.

That you are only trying to get some free publicity for your next attempt to move that cue, and by doing so you are also lying and trying to make me into something that I am not and trying to put words in my mouth. All typical salesman moves BTW I'm not surprised that you would stoop to something like this, salesman always try to twist the facts a bit so they'll look good. I'm sure it won't work, If I were reading your crap I'd never buy a cue from you.

Jim

 

[duke@neo.rr.com]

you must not read very well

It's obvious that most people who buy cues haven't thought for one second on the ramifications of copying cues. Now, anyone who has read these posts who hadn't given it a second thought will at least give it one. You on the other hand, the owner of the cue in question, a cue that you represented as "the last Balabushka" are vehemently defending it. I think more than anything, it was your gleeful attitude and yes, your suggestion that your cue was indeed a Balabushka that deserved a knock. Of course, you deleted the thread.



The question as it has always has been asked is, "where do you draw the line?" Is making a cue exactly like a special Balabushka fine? I don't think so. Is representing a cue as a Balabushka fine (like you did)? I don't think so. Is making traditional style cues in the same way that the past makers made fine? I think so. Is making a direct copy of a Balabushka that Skip is doing fine? I'm ok with the ones I've seen, but that's just me. So, for one reason or another, there are certain Balabushkas that aren't necessarily his design, but more a design of the times that are IMO okay to copy. But, there are others that are no question his designs. Those, IMO, are not okay to ripoff. You picked one that IMO shouldn't be copied. It was one of the few designs that he really started to put more effort into detailed inlays, rather than diamonds and dots.

Fred



Fred[/QUOTE]
you have no idea of what I have said. I never said my cue was actually the last balabushka made. I never claimed it was the real thing and therefore your claiming that I did makes you a fool. nobody on here can honestly say I ever claimed my cue was the real thing. If you could read you would know this. of course you find nothing wrong with skip weston copying balabushka cues because you like him. nothing new with him being defended on this site. I'm not surprised. does it really matter then what cue is being copied? why would one cue be okay to copy and not another? you guys say things and then twist what you say so you don't look foolish for it. the inlays george used don't even come in to question. any of his cues should not be copied (as I've read) so why does skip get to without ridicule and Bob Dzuricky can't? you guys are so biased in your opinions it is not even funny. it's okay for your favorite cue makers to do something, but let someone you don't like or respect do the same thing, and you are all over it. as far as my wanting to sell this cue (according to you) you are sadly mistaken. I've had offers but have turned all of them down. do you wish me to sell it? are you looking for something to complain about me for? since you don't like my cue having been made and loooove to knock it, that is all the more reason to keep it and share my pics of it now and then just because I know you will love that. enjoy finding something to complain about.

 

[Fred Agnir]

you have no idea of what I have said. I never said my cue was actually the last balabushka made. I never claimed it was the real thing and therefore your claiming that I did makes you a fool.

If you hadn't been so spineless and deleted your post, we could all take a look. You said "have you guys seen the last Balabushka?" Everyone remembers what you wrote. I was the one who brought up the term inspired. So don't try to claim it as something you said.

of course you find nothing wrong with skip weston copying balabushka cues because you like him.

Why do you insist on making up things? I don't know Skip. I've seen many cues from him that are of the tradional style. I take it you didn't print out and read my post as I suggested.

any of his cues should not be copied (as I've read) so why does skip get to without ridicule and Bob Dzuricky can't? you guys are so biased in your opinions it is not even funny. it's okay for your favorite cue makers to do something, but let someone you don't like or respect do the same thing, and you are all over it.
.

Now you're just being an asshole. Most of us know and respect Bob Dzuricky. This was about you and your gleeful attitude of the copy of cues. Stick to the subject. Hell, bring Bob intot the subject so that he can make a point. You're not doing him any favors.

Fred

 

[buddha162]

did you not see when jimbo said that any cue maker worth a grain of salt would even consider making a "copy" of a famous cue?? did you?

Nope. Not that I recall, at least not in the context of your previous post, which I took the time to quote: "you [Jimbo] talk of some cue makers (dzuricky for example) as making "junk" because they don't have the "southwest" reputation for quality."

See? If you go can go back and find us quotes (with the post link) then you'll be vindicated, at least in regards to your accusations against Jimbo. Kinda hard when you deleted a lot of the threads you started when they turned "controversial."

-Roger

 

[buddha162]

Hell, bring Bob intot the subject so that he can make a point. You're not doing him any favors.

That's for damn sure.

You know, anyone here can email this link to Bob. I personally think he has a right to know that one of his cues were misrepresented on a public forum and the ensuing debate surrounding it is continuing.

-Roger