Bar rules question
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Of course there are tons of differences. It's only limited to how much a person can make up. You get a guy coming in that "heard you can move a ball by hand every other shot from a pro down south" and soon enough the place has a rule " you can move a ball every other shot" and everyone will be trying to tell you how it's a pro rule that everyone knows about, why don't you? It does not matter what two places you compare rules in, if they people playing don't know the rules, they will almost always vary from place to place in detail.
Even places where people do know the rules, plenty of tournaments and leagues modify rules. One of the local tournaments I play in, they don't play with the 3-foul rule and you have to call the 9 (but only the 9); this evens out the fact that it's short races to 3 or 2 (rarely race to 4 if there are not many entries) and keeps the good players from beating new players on 3 fouls all the time which is easy to do against a D or a low C. The one thing that I never see changed is what is a legal hit, you need to hit your ball first and then hit a rail, you can't just whiff at everything and leave your opponent stuck without ball in hand, or even behind the line ball in hand.
Why did I open this thread...
Hey, the longer I stay in a bar, the better I get. If I stay long enough, I might make the pro tour. Oh, that's right, there is no pro tour!!!
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I never heard of defense or BIH until I was 22. It sure was a learning curve when I was recruited to an APA team. I prefer what we call tournament rules, call your pocket, BIH. No nit picking BS I grew up playing. Another odd rule is the open on break that some leagues and tourneys use. I don't mind it but it's weird to me and I have to check the rules for tourneys...
I have noticed that when someone wants to play for money, usually $5.00 a rack, its almost always agreed that we will play by BCA rules no matter what the "bar rules are". One league I was on for awhile was slop, no safeties (intentional anyways), QB in kitchen, 8 on the break wins, and 3 or 1 on 8 ball, even on league nite against other league players when we played for fun tickets it reverted to BCA rules. I do not have a problem with call shot until you get down to losing a turn because the object ball touched the rail on the way in. If they are truly going to call a clean shot it better not touch the facing either if they want to play that way because it is more skillful. Also, they should have to call the shot if they expect to shoot again after pocketing a ball on the break if they are the ones who want to play "call shot" because it requires more skill. Some of the most ridiculous things I have heard is you get to move cue ball a piece of chalk away if its frozen on the rail and the "it doesnt count as a shot if I move the cue ball less than 6", so I can hit QB 4', not touch anything and shoot again.:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
Around here, north central MD, bar rules means call shot (ball and pocket only), HONEST TRY, take what you make, BIH in the kitchen.
I was recently playing an older guy some casual 8 ball, bar rules and at the end of the game I tried to bank the 8 and missed, but left the cue ball down table so he had a difficult shot on his remaining two balls. He made a comment about frikin league bullsh*t and just raked the balls and walked away like I had insulted his mother or something.:angry:
Its a shame that there is not one set of rules because now, I will never play that guy a game of pool again.
I was recently playing an older guy some casual 8 ball, bar rules and at the end of the game I tried to bank the 8 and missed, but left the cue ball down table so he had a difficult shot on his remaining two balls. He made a comment about frikin league bullsh*t and just raked the balls and walked away like I had insulted his mother or something.:angry:
Its a shame that there is not one set of rules because now, I will never play that guy a game of pool again.
well here is the way i look at it.
no need to bash all apa players because of a few sandbaggers
no need to bash all bcapl because of a few cheating lo's.
no need to bash all tap players because sam comes across as an asshole passionately buildiling up his league.
no need to bash all napa players because a couple of old timers kicked your ass at nationals. especially that lil old lady from oklahoma.:wink:
no need to bash all bar players because some don't like league rules.:grin-square:
hell ...i am trying hard to remember what people on here have *****ed about with vnea...cant think of anything.... that league must be perfect or something.
Honestly, those are some of the stupidest rules I've ever heard.
Probably the most drastic difference between our local/regional rules and the rules apparently the rest of the world uses is in defining a legal shot. We pretty much have everything allowed: no rail requirement for either OB or CB, it's fine to hit an opponent's ball first after rail contact, no BiH in any case. The more complicated part of our rules is the definition of a legal shot after scratch. Several variants there. Ever since I came here I only heard once about a rule set similar to the one I play by - the infamous story Fatboy posted, about him and another guy playing and losing to some Serbian players. They played by Serbian rules, which have no connection whatsoever to either WSR or local American rule sets, but are more or less identical to ours.
This is honestly the first time I heard about this. It's basically a 6" BiH at the start of every shot. If I remember correctly GPPA has uses full BiH for handicapping, but nothing like this.
You'd be surprised how fun, exciting and challenging the game gets when you play by these rules and without dirty pool. No BiH and no rail requirement allow nearly unlimited defensive options, while at the same time no shot calling gives you the opportunity to slop your way out when blocked or hooked. And it gets better because we only play Last Pocket, so you could write a book of strategy only about which pocket to pick. The rules maybe look easy at first, but believe me, it takes all the skill, strategy and some luck to win a game like this.
It's quite unlikely that only my local bar plays by those rules if I used them when playing in another city, with players from several parts of the country, and they all knew them. Also, as I mentioned above, neighboring countries use pretty much the same rules too, so it's safe to assume they're spread throughout the region. I'm not sure if I'd go as far as the whole Balkan and Central Europe, but it's still a wide area with tens of millions of people, not just me and my buddies. Nice painting btw.