Bca Nationals 8-ball Warm-up

The Lights

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TACOMA'S CITY LIGHTS BILLIARDS PRESENTS

BCA NATIONALS 8-BALL WARM-UP

$1000 ADDED WITH 64 PLAYERS

BARBOX 8-BALL OPEN

RACE TO 7/5, BCA RULES

SATURDAY MAY 5TH AND SUNDAY MAY 6TH

DOORS OPEN AT 10AM, STARTS AT 11AM SATURDAY

TACOMA's CITY LIGHTS BILLIARDS

445 TACOMA AVE S

TACOMA WA 89405

(253) 383-3301

STEPHEN "GENERAL STEVE" SPIVACK, TOURNAMENT MANAGER
 
a. Card-carryin' BCA members only, or open to public?

b. How much are entry/greens fees?
 
This Tournament Has Been Moved Up One Week....

APRIL 28TH AND 29TH, THIS WEEKEND
PLEASE FELL FREE TO GIVE ME A CALL AT CITY LIGHTS FOR MORE INFORMATION 253.383.3301 OR ON MY PHONE AT 253.230.2170
THANKS

ENTRY $20.00, GREENS FEE $15.00 (WE ARE OPENING UP THE BARBOXES, SO NO QUARTERS, JUST GREENS

Stephen Spivack
Tournament Manger
 
Inzombiac said:
What's a greens fee?

We're NOT talking about dedicated pool/billiards halls here, where you go up to the desk and RENT a set of balls by the hour.

Most bars and taverns have coin-op tables. City Lights in Tacoma is no exception. A great deal of the business revenue comes from money spent to operate the pool tables.

During a tournament, this should be no different, especially if the bar is already adding generously to the tournament pot, as City Lights is with the "$1,000 Added."

So, the next thought is, "Should the players put up the necessary quarters for each game of play, or should the establishment open the tables up so they can be racked for 'free'"?

Some places choose to open up the tables for the tournament duration simply for the players' convenience -- this causes a potentially large operating revenue loss. Why should it, when the establishment is already separately making a generous donation to the tournament?

Just like when you go to a golf course, you do NOT play for free. You actually pay what has long and traditionally been called a "greens fee" that goes toward the maintenance of the entirety of each hole of the golf course, as well as the rest of the overhead that such an operation would require.

Up until recently, normal pool tournament cloth/baize has been green. Thus, the expression "greens fees" has simply been transferred over from golf and applied to those conditions where the establishment opens the coin-op tables for "free" play during tournament play, yet requires a specific contribution from each player to help recover the costs of this otherwise lost revenue.

This is a pretty common practice nationwide for large tournaments run on coin-op pool tables -- surprised you never heard of it.
 
Erratum to my post about "greens fees"

mailman said:
We're NOT talking about dedicated pool/billiards halls here, where you go up to the desk and RENT a set of balls by the hour.

Most bars and taverns have coin-op tables. City Lights in Tacoma is no exception ...

It makes more sense to me to do it this way, rather than editing my original post. This is what I get for doing this kind of post when I am dead tired :confused:

Of course, we ARE also talking about dedicated pool halls where tables are rented!!!

Everything I wrote about the coin-op establishments opening up their tables to "free" play and then applying a "greens fee" to recover otherwise lost revenue applies to the dedicated pool hall, as well. Think about it:

The pool hall rents its tables as its main source of income. If a tournament is being played, there are usually NO RENTAL fees being charged during the entire course of the tournament; therefore, the pool hall is losing its main source of revenue -- this is particularly exacerbated if the establishment is also contributing/donating "added" money to the tournament. In lieu of rental fees, the pool hall charges each tournament player a set "greens fee" that covers play for the entire tournament in order to recover the "lost" revenue.

This also, as stated before for the coin-op places, is nationwide practice for the dedicated pool halls with table rental fees.

However, in many cases, if a tavern, bar or pool hall, whether it employs coin-op tables or rental fees, has a butt-kicking kitchen and a swinging full-service bar, it will be THE central spot for ALL of the tournament participants, whether they are playing or waiting to play, and it will make a TON OF MONEY off of the bar and kitchen that it normally would NOT make without the presence of the tournament -- so much so that, in addition to "added" (donated) money for the tournament, it will also forego charging "greens fees."

This is not that unusual, either. But the other places that are limited mainly to rental fees or coin-op tables as a large part of revenue source WILL almost always charge a "greens fee."

Sheesh, I woke up out of a deep sleep to do this erratum -- I sure hope I finally got it right ... :D

Peace ...
 
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