best player ever?
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Renegade said:
A nursery Cannon is when a player manuevers the two
object balls into the corner and then proceeds to tap
them with the cueball scoring each time he does so.
Big runs were built up doing this, but Lindrum seemed
to be much more adept at it then his competitors.
I've tried it and it's not nearly as easy as it
sounds.
Bobby
oic. i've seen this done in some tournaments i watched before. kinda boring. must be the reason why they don't allow it anymore. at least this is what i get from slasher's post.
one question: if snooker players are so great, then how come those who've crossed over to pool haven't had much success (not counting allison fisher)? Steve Davis has been real successful in snooker, and yet he hasn't been quite as potent in 9-ball, or has he? just curious.
(of course, it can be argued that pool players don't do that well playing snooker too. different strokes for different strokes, i guess.
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anyone know which snooker player has had the most success in pool? and vice versa?
one question: if snooker players are so great, then how come those who've crossed over to pool haven't had much success (not counting allison fisher)? Steve Davis has been real successful in snooker, and yet he hasn't been quite as potent in 9-ball, or has he? just curious.
(of course, it can be argued that pool players don't do that well playing snooker too. different strokes for different strokes, i guess.
)anyone know which snooker player has had the most success in pool? and vice versa?
Renegade said:oic. i've seen this done in some tournaments i watched before. kinda boring. must be the reason why they don't allow it anymore. at least this is what i get from slasher's post.
one question: if snooker players are so great, then how come those who've crossed over to pool haven't had much success (not counting allison fisher)? Steve Davis has been real successful in snooker, and yet he hasn't been quite as potent in 9-ball, or has he? just curious.
(of course, it can be argued that pool players don't do that well playing snooker too. different strokes for different strokes, i guess.
anyone know which snooker player has had the most success in pool? and vice versa?
The pro snooker players that play pool only play in
one or two pool events per year. Snooker has a season,
from September to May basically, although there are a
couple of events after May, they have the summer off
from ranking events. So they only play at Cardiff in
the world championships because it doesn't interfere
with snooker. They don't take 9 ball seriously, they
seem to play for the fun of it.
Steve Davis who is a 6 time world snooker champion,
even in his prime wouldn't be able to consistently
win over todays top snooker players. So you basically
have a few older snooker pros like Steve Davis and
Tony Drago who can hold their own with the pro 9-
ball players without much experience in it and very
weak breaks. Drago won the Masters European 9 ball
event last year and all the top 9 ball players were
there. Not bad for someone who rarely plays 9-ball.
If the top snooker players were to play, they would
finish much better. But they have no reason to; they
make 10 times the money in snooker than the 9 ballers
make. Now on the other hand I've seen pro pool players
play snooker and believe me they would not win a
single frame of snooker against the boys in England.
In the 80's Steve Mizerak and Jim Rempe tried to
qualify for a few pro snooker events and they never
made it past the qualifying rounds, and these qualifiers
are mostly teenage kids! And keep in mind that this was
the 80's, the level of play is much higher now with
players like Hendry, O'Sullivan, Doherty, Williams, etc.
Bobby
really?????????????????????????????????????????????
NO chit, really, never would of come with that.
way to go Don.
blud
ps, just could not help myself, guys. sorry.................
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Donald A. Purdy said:Fast Larry Gunninger
NO chit, really, never would of come with that.
way to go Don.
blud
ps, just could not help myself, guys. sorry.................
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LMAO
Blud did you use enough question marks...lol
Kent Mc.
Blud did you use enough question marks...lol
Kent Mc.
Best Player Ever
If not the best he definitely deserves honorable mention, would be Arthur "Babe" Cranfield. Coming from Syracuse myself, I used to watch him practice alot. The patterns he selected and the overall knowledge he had was world class. He never turned pro and kept a fulltime job but I think he deserves to be mentioned. Thanks
If not the best he definitely deserves honorable mention, would be Arthur "Babe" Cranfield. Coming from Syracuse myself, I used to watch him practice alot. The patterns he selected and the overall knowledge he had was world class. He never turned pro and kept a fulltime job but I think he deserves to be mentioned. Thanks
pool/snooker
Can't agree with this totally. For the record though I am a snooker fanatic, but i also have played an watch an awful lot of pool. This is my opinion:
While it's true that the top snooker players have no reason to compete in the world of pool make no mistake - if they did it would take them a long, long time before they started winning. I have no doubt that talents on the level of Hendry, O'Sullivan or Davis would become very, very good players but to imagine them coming to the pool world and taking it over as Allison Fisher did in the women's game is absurd. The depth and quality of the men's game in comparison to the women's game is so excessive it makes them look like different sports. The situation is much like men's and women's tennis - in the women's game there are a handful of individuals who are consistent tournament threats - maybe 6 or 8 who can win any given tournament. In the men's game, however, there are scores of players who play to a very high standard. If you win the US Open in the men's game, you've probably won 10 or 11 matches, 7 or 8 of which were against players who had a legitimate shot to win the tournament. When Karen or Allison win a tournament it's only the last couple of matches that make a difference.
Another factor is knowledge. Though snooker players will respond with shock when I say this the simple fact is that experienced pool players have much, much, more knowledge about billiards in general than any exclusive snooker player, and this knowledge pays off in spades playing pool. Remember that in pool, distance does not save you, as it does in snooker, and remember too that in snooker, a straight shooter will defeat an experienced player nigh on every time, where in pool it's actually the reverse that holds true. If you don't think I'm correct, forget 9-ball, see how a snooker player would fare playing games like one pocket or three cushion billiards even against the likes of Strickland (who plays neither of those two games). Forgettaboutit.
Meanwhile, it's also incorrect to say that top players in the world of pool would not do well playing snooker. Efren, for example, has several centruy breaks playing snooker, and once won a gambling sessions against Kirk Stevens (former world #4). I can promise you that players such as Strickland, Reyes, Bustamate, Archer and the like, would be serious threats in the world of snooker - if that was the game that they played, just as Hendry, Davis, O'Sullivan and White would be serious threats in pool - if that was the game they played. The problem of course is that they don't.
Sadly the truth is that cuesports have no level playing field when it comes to comparing players in the different games. Seeing what Hendry can do against Reyes, or what Archer can do against O'Sullivan (or Davis against Blomdhal to throw another interesting name into the mix) on LEVEL terms, will never happen. The games, I'm sorry to say, are just too different, as are the skills necessary to take the players to the top. The best we'll ever be able to do is wonder.
Can't agree with this totally. For the record though I am a snooker fanatic, but i also have played an watch an awful lot of pool. This is my opinion:
While it's true that the top snooker players have no reason to compete in the world of pool make no mistake - if they did it would take them a long, long time before they started winning. I have no doubt that talents on the level of Hendry, O'Sullivan or Davis would become very, very good players but to imagine them coming to the pool world and taking it over as Allison Fisher did in the women's game is absurd. The depth and quality of the men's game in comparison to the women's game is so excessive it makes them look like different sports. The situation is much like men's and women's tennis - in the women's game there are a handful of individuals who are consistent tournament threats - maybe 6 or 8 who can win any given tournament. In the men's game, however, there are scores of players who play to a very high standard. If you win the US Open in the men's game, you've probably won 10 or 11 matches, 7 or 8 of which were against players who had a legitimate shot to win the tournament. When Karen or Allison win a tournament it's only the last couple of matches that make a difference.
Another factor is knowledge. Though snooker players will respond with shock when I say this the simple fact is that experienced pool players have much, much, more knowledge about billiards in general than any exclusive snooker player, and this knowledge pays off in spades playing pool. Remember that in pool, distance does not save you, as it does in snooker, and remember too that in snooker, a straight shooter will defeat an experienced player nigh on every time, where in pool it's actually the reverse that holds true. If you don't think I'm correct, forget 9-ball, see how a snooker player would fare playing games like one pocket or three cushion billiards even against the likes of Strickland (who plays neither of those two games). Forgettaboutit.
Meanwhile, it's also incorrect to say that top players in the world of pool would not do well playing snooker. Efren, for example, has several centruy breaks playing snooker, and once won a gambling sessions against Kirk Stevens (former world #4). I can promise you that players such as Strickland, Reyes, Bustamate, Archer and the like, would be serious threats in the world of snooker - if that was the game that they played, just as Hendry, Davis, O'Sullivan and White would be serious threats in pool - if that was the game they played. The problem of course is that they don't.
Sadly the truth is that cuesports have no level playing field when it comes to comparing players in the different games. Seeing what Hendry can do against Reyes, or what Archer can do against O'Sullivan (or Davis against Blomdhal to throw another interesting name into the mix) on LEVEL terms, will never happen. The games, I'm sorry to say, are just too different, as are the skills necessary to take the players to the top. The best we'll ever be able to do is wonder.
Bobby said:
Davis barely bothers with the game and look at the level he is able to compete at.
If Davis and numerous other snooker players took the game seriously Strickland and the boys would all be on UI.
As for any pool players competing at pro level snooker, what a laugh that is, running the odd ton means sweet fa, hell I still run the odd century and I would not even embarass myself at an amatuer event in the UK.
I think if any of them thought they remotely had a chance at the big money they would be wackin away on a 6x12 day and night, at least they are realistic about their own abillity.
If Davis and numerous other snooker players took the game seriously Strickland and the boys would all be on UI.
As for any pool players competing at pro level snooker, what a laugh that is, running the odd ton means sweet fa, hell I still run the odd century and I would not even embarass myself at an amatuer event in the UK.
I think if any of them thought they remotely had a chance at the big money they would be wackin away on a 6x12 day and night, at least they are realistic about their own abillity.
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I think most pool players would have to make big changes to their fundamental technique in order to be a real good at snooker. That takes a lot of time, and they aren't getting any younger.
Twisted fingers, funny bridges, head well above the cue...can players with such style excel at snooker? I think not.
Twisted fingers, funny bridges, head well above the cue...can players with such style excel at snooker? I think not.
Davis' current level? What is that? There's probably 100 players in the US who could and would spot him the 7 ball gambling and would win. Expand the sample to include Europe and Asia and maybe there's 1000 of them. If it weren't for sponsor's exemption he wouldn't even find himself in the field at Cardiff.
If you really want to look at a snooker talent who also plays pool to a high standard why not use your own Brady Gollan. Now HE can play pool. Davis isn't even on the radar. Make no mistake though, even for Brady it took quite some time to develop a competitive pool game that could defeat top American talent.
If you really want to look at a snooker talent who also plays pool to a high standard why not use your own Brady Gollan. Now HE can play pool. Davis isn't even on the radar. Make no mistake though, even for Brady it took quite some time to develop a competitive pool game that could defeat top American talent.
Slasher said:
gromulan said:
I really have to disagree, I have asked a couple of
well known pros and they all say that Davis plays
world class level 9 ball. They say that his only flaw
is his anemic break. He always finishes in the cash
at Cardiff, beating top players such as Reyes (in an
amazing comeback), Rodolfo Luat and others. I'm not
saying he's the best but I highly doubt there are
many if any that would give im the 7 ball.
Look at Tony Drago, the guy hardly devotes an time
to 9 ball, yet he wins the European Masters 9 ball
event! And all the top guys were there. I shudder to
imagine his game if he were to put more time into it.
Bobby
Thanks for the info, Bobby. Man, I wonder how Efren Reyes would do against these guys? I know he tried a little snooker in the past but I don't think it's his kind of game. BTW, congratulations to Efren for winning his third consecutive Asian 9-Ball Championship. Whoever said he is way past his prime has got to be kidding!Bobby said:
Quick word on Drago
Agree that Drago doesn't play pool all that often. However when he is lining up for a tournament (and he is playing in more UK and European events as time goes on, not just the matchroom ones), he practices hard with Imran Majid and Steve Knight: two of the UK's top players. So unlike Davis, he is very well-rounded when he goes to 9 ball tournaments cos he gets his backside handed to him by the two above players for 3 weeks before the event!!!!!
For the record, my best player of all time has to Efren: he has done it all. I have never seen footage of the old-time (Hoppe, Greenleaf, Mosconi etc) guys playing so I can't make comparisons.
Best player in the world currently (all round) is Thorsten Hohmann. 9 ball, straight pool, 8 ball, he plays all of them to a world-class level.
Agree that Drago doesn't play pool all that often. However when he is lining up for a tournament (and he is playing in more UK and European events as time goes on, not just the matchroom ones), he practices hard with Imran Majid and Steve Knight: two of the UK's top players. So unlike Davis, he is very well-rounded when he goes to 9 ball tournaments cos he gets his backside handed to him by the two above players for 3 weeks before the event!!!!!
For the record, my best player of all time has to Efren: he has done it all. I have never seen footage of the old-time (Hoppe, Greenleaf, Mosconi etc) guys playing so I can't make comparisons.
Best player in the world currently (all round) is Thorsten Hohmann. 9 ball, straight pool, 8 ball, he plays all of them to a world-class level.
Renegade said:
As good as Efren is, I hate to say it but he would not
fare well. That's not to say that had he focused on
snooker and played with the Englsh boys from an early
age he wouldn't be great at it, because he probably
would. The top snooker players are so serious about
practice, they put the pool players to shame. In his
autobiography, Ronnie O'Sullivan said that he would
often exceed his regular 10 hour a day practice sessions
and practice every waking moment, he would sometimes
even practice 20 hours in one day and then fall asleep
from exhaustion. He would then wake up and feel guilty
that he had slept instead of practising! Thats
dedication!
To put things in perspective, Alex Pagulayan is one
of the best pool players at snooker. However, he gets
drilled by Alain Robideaux (sp?) Canada's snooker
Champion. Alain, as good as he is, is no longer
competetive with the op snooker players. It's a game
that you can't just play casually, you have to be
totally dedicated to it.
Bobby
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gromulan said:
If this were true, Steve would always lose every single 9ball match against top players!
Either we are all in denial and he really is a crappy pool player who only gets by using his famous name and sponsors, or your post wins the "stupidest" award.
Also: why the hell would Davis want to gamble anyway? The guy is a millionaire many times over as a result of his snooker exploits.
So who cares if someone can beat him gambling? Makes not a jot of difference to a player that has dedicated his life to tournament excellence (and succeeded). Let them line up under the tv lights and see who comes out on top. That is his natural element, not 20 hour $6000-a-set sessions with no-one watching but a few sweators.
So who cares if someone can beat him gambling? Makes not a jot of difference to a player that has dedicated his life to tournament excellence (and succeeded). Let them line up under the tv lights and see who comes out on top. That is his natural element, not 20 hour $6000-a-set sessions with no-one watching but a few sweators.
Actually, if I remember correctly, Alex played in the last Canadian snooker championships and fared quite well, beating Kirk among others. I do know that Thorburn eventually beat him but I know that he finished quite deep in the tournament, though I can't say where.
Bobby said: