Best stroke in the game
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Semih Sayginer
Ronnie O'Sullivan
Mika Immonen
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Ronnie O'Sullivan
Mika Immonen
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fast larry
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Rickw said:
Hi this is Fast. Sorry but actually it is the exact opposite of what you think. I do every shot Sammy does on a billiard table on pool tables, a few that are just caroms and pockets are in the way I don't do of course, but all his masses I do. I have to dodge 6 big holes on my shots, he does not, that alone makes what I do twice as hard. His rubber on his cushions is the best in the world, German Artimis which is 2 or 3 times faster and more responsive that this dead worn out crap I face every day.
When I perform artistic and fancy shots, my shots are 2 or 3 times more difficult than what he faces. The billiard ball is easier to use, larger target to hit and masse on, it also rolls farther and is superior on most stroke shots to the pool ball, follow and masses. Only on the draw would the pool ball be better. Some of these guys use an Ivory cue ball for thier masses and follows, this ball is even heavier than the phenolic and Ivory holds and produces more spin.
The key thing they are doing to produce some of this amazing stuff is they are heavily coating the cue ball with silicone which I don't use in my shows. Sammy uses WD40. Other silicone sprays are greasier and actually work better.
Rojas has his glove cloated with it which is how he applies it without you knowing. Some have a referee or shill pick up the cue ball for them a lot and wipe it with a white hanki, that guy is putting on the silicone for them. Once the ball is coated, you get twice the action you would with a dry undoctored ball.
Other comparisons on what Sammy plays on compared to what I show on. Most of my show tables are $1000 used tables with worn out cheap soft rubber on their last legs. His tables cost $10,000 and have heated slates which I never see. A heated slate makes everything again now very fast. The ball will roll 6 more diamonds farther heated opposed to unheated because it removes all moisture from the cloth.
The key thing is Sammy plays on nothing but Simonis 300 or Granita M and he is always on a brand new cloth put on for the event. When that cloth is old, it is 3 times faster than 860. When it is new and heated, it is super quick. Few pool players have ever experience play on a brand new Verhoven with a heated slate and brand new 300 cloth. It is a entirely different world and game, you just will not be able to believe how fast this is. When he has all of this going for him and with his fantastic talent, he then produces shots that are truly hard to fathom as does Rojos of Mexico and several Asia stars as well.
Give these guys my pool ball and put them on my $1000 table with house cloth and no heated slate and suddently they would no longer be Gods, they would become human very fast.
Ignoring everything else in the post, this part does not make sense...If you are only doing the billiard shots in which the pocket does not affect the outcome, then you are not having to dodge 6 holes either. You have stated you don't do the shots where the hole is in the way, so why make it look like it is tougher on a pool table? You are not dodging any holes if you are not doing the shots in which the hole would come into play.fast larry said:
The rest of the post came across to me sort of odd, it sounds as if you are trying in some way to show you are better than him because you work on inferior tables? I guess if he was to play on your tables, you would whip him in a contest of these shots?
eg8r
Regarding Semih,
Yes his trick shots are impressive. BUT even more impressive is his performance in actual 3-cushion tournament matches....his stroke is impeccable. Solid, he can call upon extreme power when he needs it, AND he has an amazing touch and delicate finesse. His control of spin is amazing.
He is just so solid at the table, and watching him makes me realize again and again what a beautiful game 3-Cushion billiards is.
I suggest all pool players pick up at least a few pro 3-Cushion billiards matches. These guys are masters at combining thickness of hit and spin and control the cueball path perfectly.
Yes his trick shots are impressive. BUT even more impressive is his performance in actual 3-cushion tournament matches....his stroke is impeccable. Solid, he can call upon extreme power when he needs it, AND he has an amazing touch and delicate finesse. His control of spin is amazing.
He is just so solid at the table, and watching him makes me realize again and again what a beautiful game 3-Cushion billiards is.
I suggest all pool players pick up at least a few pro 3-Cushion billiards matches. These guys are masters at combining thickness of hit and spin and control the cueball path perfectly.
eg8r said:
Save your breath. You have to realize that egomaniacs don't like applause to be directed in other directions, so they stroke their own egos in order to steal some of the thunder. The fact that it's self-laudatory praise doesn't seem to matter.
-djb
True that. Saw Buddy the other night. He still has that pause and cueball on a string stroke.stick8 said:
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Fast larry, Thats like saying take a regular player and putting him on the best pool table with the best cloth, best balls, they would still not be able to do the things as a world class pool player. Dont take this the wrong way but i have never heard of you can you seem to be one of these guys who think they know it all and have done it all. i would take semih over you in a money game all day long!
fast larry
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eg8r said:
Oh no, you totally read this wrong, I am trying to teach you guys what's going on here. If semi wants to beat me or Massey, all he has to do is enter our tournament, it's called the world artistic championship and come in and kick our ass, it is that simple. He has never entered or attempted to do that. He plays with a billiard ball on a fast billiard table, that is why. We cant go into their world artistic championship and beat them on their table and ball either.
You are looking at two entirely different games here, that is what I am trying to teach and educate you all on, not brag on what I can do. I do every one of those shots you see on that video on pool tables, every one, Mike can make the same shots.
Am I better than Sammy, in 96 yes, today no. Would Mike take him on a pool table, yes, on a billiard table, no. When I do the same shot he does on a billiard table with no holes, and I make the same shot and now avoid and miss 6 holes, yes my shot was harder, I am sorry you cannot see that.
If you go back and read what I first wrote, you will see I did say he is amazing, truly at this, one of the top 5 in the world today. I know the guy, like the guy. He is a real credit to the game. He lives in Turkey and mostly plays in Europe. I have been in most of the pool magazines in Turkey also. Sammy, yo da man, Fast loves ya.
fast larry
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ZigZag Master said:
Now that Sang Lee has done a who knows what Sammy is the favorite to win every time he show. He comes in and wins, then does a killer artistic show to boot. Sammy, Cuelemans, Bloomdahl, Sang Lee, these are the Gods of this sport.
fast larry
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westjer said:
The dancing bear from Montreal, that big dude can grip it and rip it as well.
Rick Wright from Stockbridge, Ga was a TASA world champion at Artistic and in the 90's could do anything Mike Masse could, so could George Middleditch, Don't forget Rippe in Mass. It's cool to see a celebration of all of these great talents being put into print. This makes my heart, sour like the eagle.
Thanks for clearing everything up. I have watched the video and he does some amazing stuff.fast larry said:Oh no, you totally read this wrong, I am trying to teach you guys what's going on here. If semi wants to beat me or Massey, all he has to do is enter our tournament, it's called the world artistic championship and come in and kick our ass, it is that simple. He has never entered or attempted to do that. He plays with a billiard ball on a fast billiard table, that is why. We cant go into their world artistic championship and beat them on their table and ball either. Thank you for clarifying this....
You are looking at two entirely different games here, that is what I am trying to teach and educate you all on, not brag on what I can do. I do every one of those shots you see on that video on pool tables, every one, Mike can make the same shots.
Am I better than Sammy, in 96 yes, today no. Would Mike take him on a pool table, yes, on a billiard table, no. When I do the same shot he does on a billiard table with no holes, and I make the same shot and now avoid and miss 6 holes, yes my shot was harder, I am sorry you cannot see that. The reason I brought this up was because you specifically stated you do not do the shots in which the pocket would hamper the outcome, thus leaving only shots in which the pocket is not in the way. Now if the pocket does not get in the way, then you are no longer avoiding the pocket. That is all I am trying to say.
If you go back and read what I first wrote, you will see I did say he is amazing, truly at this, one of the top 5 in the world today. I don't think you will see where I have disputed his abilities. I know the guy, like the guy. He is a real credit to the game. He lives in Turkey and mostly plays in Europe. I have been in most of the pool magazines in Turkey also. Sammy, yo da man, Fast loves ya.
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What about David Howard, or Earl Stricklin, I've seen both of them hit some big draws.
fast larry
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eg8r said:
On most of his shots, especially masses, he goes around the table 3 or 4 rails and having no holes he has no problems, all he has to do is hit his target at the end. I have 6 holes I must avoid, If I catch a point going by a pocket my shot is ruined. If his shot ends up at diamond 4 I cant do that shot because at dia 4 I have a hole. He does a lot of shots out of the corner, no pocket, so I cant do that either.
I am glad we all understand I am in awe of this guys ability as you are, but I can do this and a dozen other people can as well, so he has no corner on these shots.
Raymond Steylearts has been doing this kind of stuff for decades out of Belgium. Some of the amazing reverse path masses sammy is doing Rojos did first and they only work using a very doctored up ball. I have made them, but I dont shoot them as they are real cloth rippers and this kind of stuff blows up masse cues, rojos destoys one a month, plus a couple of shafts. There are limits to what I will try in public, especially on other peoples tables and cloths. They do this stuff when the tourney is over and no matter how bad he rips it there is no major problem then.